The films of Abbas Kiarostami.

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re:modernism - Yeah that's what I thought, and that's what I find interesting - this, what I think is a, symbiotic relationship between cultures and how when they meet they both feed and feed off each other... So Kiarostami meets Western literature then feeds it into Iran while Iran eeks into the literature and you have this wierd coming together... I wasn't patronising him but I was probably patronising Iran. Well, I wasn't patronising Iran so much as acknowledging it's tradition.

Speaking of which:

v. Freaky, almost Hobbesian possessive attitude towards women displayed by characters.

Cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

OK, I totally didn't say what I wanted to say. First of all, Kiarostami is well-acquainted with Western culture. But more important, his version of "modernism" needn't necessarily come from that source. There's a degree of sponataneous insight and generosity in the reflexive moves of those films that doesn't need to be inherited. Which statement can be understood as condescending itself. I guess what I'm driving at is that finding out the "source" of Kiarostami's modernism (or what we take to be a kind of Iranian modernist correlative) is perhaps less interesting that seeing what it does, how it feels.

Yeah the women thing can be alarming. There's that beautiful appeal by the suitor which I've never known how to take: "I don't want you for your money, or your beauty. I just want you to have a place in the world." Kiarostami's subsequent films have shown him to be sensitive to the restrictions facing women in Iran, so his distance from this issue--his unwillingness to confront it--in these films can be seen as part and parcel of the attitude he strikes toward the village in general: inquisitive, never presumptuous.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Minneapolis showing of Ten in a theatre that seats roughly 800?

Sold out.

I still haven't made up my mind if it's up the the standards of either Taste of Cherry or The Wind Will Carry Us, but its feminism is not to be ignored.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 17 May 2003 06:00 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
Just saw Taste of Cherry yesterday, and up until five minutes to the end, I was ready to accept it as a great film. Too bad that the ending SUCKY SUCKY SUCKS so bad as to pretty much nullify anything good I felt about it before then. A very homo pomo ending, if I may say so myself (and I shall).

And while this obviously is meaningless to a certain degree, it's so goddamn obvious how badly Kiarostami has been positioning himself as of late that he really, really, really, really wants to be Jean-Luc Godard. The way he dresses, the way he shaves, the sunglasses he wears, the way he talks about his films, the way he regards himself as an artistE. My friend met him last year and said he was a complete twat. Beside the point, maybe, but I guess I just want to turn the knife a few times before I withdraw the blade.

I'm still open to seeing more of his films, but if the others would rather pull Godard/Bresson tricks for shits and giggles, I'm out.

Should I just go to the Makhmalbafs instead?

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 04:30 (twenty years ago) link

the ending is the best thing about it!

make some more list threads, girolamo.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

a very homo pomo ending

Alright, I'll get you the second one, to which I'd respond: so what? But what the hell does the "homo" thing refer to?

Beside the point, maybe, but I guess I just want to turn the knife a few times before I withdraw the blade.

That was actually not Kiarostami you dug a knife into but rather a bag of old arguments which, upon being spilled open, you are now knee deep in.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 03:00 (twenty years ago) link

I was arguing? I thought I was ranting. Pardon me!

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 10 September 2003 06:25 (twenty years ago) link

No, please. Pardon me. You still haven't explained the "homo" thing.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 10 September 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

"It's slang...ya know...he's American...it's a facking donut!"

Seriously, though, stop getting hung up on "homo pomo", as un-PC as it may be (love to the gay people, yo!). It's just an old rhyming term that my friend and I use whenever postmodernism tries to be too clever or too meta to the point of it's own bloviating stupidity. Kiarostami may indeed be a genius, his meta-ending may indeed be something new and different within Iran, but I judge it to be (by the h-p standards subjective as they are) homo pomo in extremis.

Whoa.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 11 September 2003 01:16 (twenty years ago) link

FIne. This homo loves pomo. But he can also handle subjectivity. He agrees with amateurist. He'll stop talking in the third person some other time.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 11 September 2003 01:41 (twenty years ago) link

i liked the ending but clearly the best thing about it was the extensive use of long shot

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 17 September 2003 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

I'll definitely give you that. I also liked the process that he used to actually get the passenger footage. But all that aside...um...well...I don't have anything to say on the other side of this ellipsis.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 18 September 2003 01:36 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...

A Retro in Berkeley, can't wait. A few weeks ago I was telling my friend that after watching Apu by Satyajit Ray I simply had no desire to watch films for a while. Last week, thinking of other directors in the same vein as Ray I said thinking aloud "I bet Kiarostami has some films like that". Yesterday I found this quote:

"When Satyajit Ray passed on, I was very depressed. But after seeing Kiarostami's films, I thanked God for giving us just the right person to take his place."—Akira Kurosawa

http://www.bampfa.berkeley.edu/filmseries/abbas_kiarostami

oscar, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Life and Nothing More is the most boring heap I have ever sat through. Bah.

Stevie D, Friday, 20 July 2007 01:52 (sixteen years ago) link

well, you shd stay away from him, then.

Dr Morbius, Saturday, 21 July 2007 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link

eight years pass...

RIP:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jul/04/abbas-kiarostami-palme-dor-winning-iranian-film-maker-dies

"Cinema begins with D.W. Griffith and ends with Abbas Kiarostami." - Jean-Luc Godard

Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 5 July 2016 01:38 (seven years ago) link

Apologies, didn't see the other thread revive.

Still, what a loss.

Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 5 July 2016 01:46 (seven years ago) link

totally unrelatedly, I had just downloaded Where Is The Friends Home in hopes of watching it tonight. RIP

de l'asshole (flopson), Tuesday, 5 July 2016 01:53 (seven years ago) link


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