indefensible: john gruber

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Has he always been so mean-spirited? I don't remember him being so spiteful just a few years ago.

lukas, Friday, 17 June 2011 21:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://diveintomark.org/archives/2011/06/17/come-on-gruber-youre-better-than-this

url a bit generous but otherwise, oh snap

caek, Friday, 17 June 2011 22:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Gruber seems to be right about things a lot of the time, though that's easy when the people he disagrees with are prone to willfully ignoring the fact that Apple is making hundreds of millions of dollars doing what it's doing and is preposterously unlikely to make any sudden changes in strategy. Also less of a raging, belligerent asshole than you might expect.

T.S. Eliot-themed roach fetish porn (silby), Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

Also wrt the "buy whole cell phone industry" post that is sort of following up on an earlier link about how Apple could easily have enough cash in a few years to take itself private. That is, in an industry where firms are frequently assessed by their market cap or their VC funding or what have you, Apple actually has HUMONGOUS FAT STACKS OF CASH.

T.S. Eliot-themed roach fetish porn (silby), Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

agreed that this guy is a bit of a dick, he has unsavory triumphalist tendencies, and thinks various middlebrow stuff is the height of human achievement - however as to his core competency, i do believe hes one of the best writers on design out there today

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 03:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Chock full of SEO crap: My comment on Marco Arment's comment on John Gruber's comment on David Pogue's comment on Google's Chromebook.

James Mitchell, Sunday, 19 June 2011 08:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Has anyone read the marco aren't Phish post?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 19 June 2011 09:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Damn autocorrect: Arment

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 19 June 2011 09:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

however as to his core competency, i do believe hes one of the best writers on design out there today

he doesn't really do this any more though?

caek, Sunday, 19 June 2011 10:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Got sick of his blog a while ago - but I have to admit his comment on the Chromebook is kinda on point, why does it deserve a "good try!" sentiment?

Nhex, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

Gruber's predictions that don't come true are still reasonable and make sense when you evaluate the facts available at the time. He can't rely on his mysterious inside sources all the time, you see.

You don't have to believe me, just ask Gruber. He's always Gruber. I mean, right.

mh, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

he doesn't really do this any more though?

― caek, Sunday, June 19, 2011 6:18 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah its not most of his posts, but when he does write a long piece i feel like he really gets where design is at re todays technologies

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

also hes a v good clear writer

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 14:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

chrisdejabet Chris De Jabet by daringfireball
Just got complimented on my @daringfireball shirt at the Apple Store. Because I'm handsome.
18 hours ago

*stabs twitter in the face*

ice cr?m, Sunday, 19 June 2011 15:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

thought it was really out of line when this guy shot mr takagi

little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 19 June 2011 15:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

i really like gruber

which mac writers do you guys really like? i could use some more feeds in my google reader

markers, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 18:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Jean-Louis Gassee

lukas, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

totally forgot abt him, thanking u

markers, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 19:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

feel like this post embodies many of his less good qualities

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

how long till some shill links him this thread and ilx gets ~fireballed~

 summer is coming  (cozen), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

one can dream

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

You are trying to view American McCarver on a shitty browser. Won't work.
http://americanmccarver.com/

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 12:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

Note that the UI screenshots are even set in Helvetica, not Arial. Some of the best evidence of good taste at Google I can ever recall.

duly noted.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/28/google-plus-videos

joe, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 20:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

guh arial and helvetica are like exactly the same shit stfu already

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 20:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

A friend shared this blog post on Google Reader: http://stu.mp/2011/06/dear-yahoo-hire-me-as-your-next-ceo.html

I’d buy the NYT (for a mere $1.5bn!) and recruit John Gruber to be Editor in Chief of the “Yahoo! News” division.

I cried a little.

mh, Tuesday, 28 June 2011 21:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh god, until I read that blog post in full I thought that was a joke, like forcing him to cover stories about Microsoft.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 29 June 2011 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

Cringely's been half-nuts for years. Now I think he's full-nuts.
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/06/29/joke

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

well, he's got a point

caek, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

I guess it's not as bad as how he keeps referring to Paul Thurrott as a 'dick' purely because he writes about Microsoft.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 30 June 2011 09:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

cringelys nutsness is the best part of his shtick, guy is not afraid to think big

ice cr?m, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't think Cringely's being nuts there! Even if Jobs is showing pictures of full server rooms, it's not like he's shown pictures of the entire interior of the facility, and it's completely possible that it's not that densely populated.

mh, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah but thats not some weird conspiracy designed to intimidate rivals, its just building out future capacity

ice cr?m, Thursday, 30 June 2011 15:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

p sure this dood killed caylee http://horace.dediu.usesthis.com

ice cr?m, Thursday, 7 July 2011 03:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/05/11/cameron

asshole

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/07/08/murdoch

"congratulations to the tories"

joe, Friday, 8 July 2011 20:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

wish someone would put this asshole in a room w/paul thurrott and then they can mutually annihilate each other

Once Were Moderators (DG), Friday, 8 July 2011 20:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

You are trying to view American McCarver on a shitty browser. Won't work.

maybe i've just been developing for legacy browsers too long at this point, but this kills me. laziest shit ever - you run a SPORTS BLOG ffs

unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 8 July 2011 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

actually i think i hate sub-gruber wannabe sycophant ux doods even worse than gruber proper - so much hot air about making software "empathetic," so much whining about not getting paid to be a thought leader, so much referring to "marco" by the mononym...

unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 8 July 2011 20:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Read a blog post about grids. Saw a movie about Helvetica. Short. Terse. Sentences.

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

TS: john gruber vs lieutenant gruber from 'allo 'allo

Once Were Moderators (DG), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

Note that the UI screenshots are even set in Helvetica, not Arial. Some of the best evidence of good taste at Google I can ever recall.

RAGE!

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

oops already posted X:

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Friday, 8 July 2011 22:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

it cannot be mocked too often. the star was a nice touch.

joe, Friday, 8 July 2011 22:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

I listened to some of his most recent podcasts during the week and was astounded by his and Dan Benjamin's claim that it gets 800,000 downloads an episode.

Err, what? Maybe it was some kind of belated rip on The Daily's iPad app but I think they were being serious. There's no way it's true, though.

James Mitchell, Saturday, 9 July 2011 08:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

i think it's more like 400,000, but i could be wrong

800,000 was either the WWDC or post-WWDC download count iirc, but again, i could be wrong

markers, Saturday, 9 July 2011 08:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's like his amazing high trafficked and revolutionary new sports website, which is actually a fucking tumble blog about baseball where you click on the notes to find less than half a dozen people 'liked' each post and fuck-all anybody reblogged anything, because why the fuck would you.

I'd rather read David Beckham's views on fonts an touch interfaces.

James Mitchell, Saturday, 9 July 2011 08:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

are you kidding i'd TOTALLY read david beckham's views on fonts and touch interfaces

unique housing opportunity (swanbed.gif) (govern yourself accordingly), Saturday, 9 July 2011 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Dean Martin’s recipe for hamburgers. Sounds perfect.

nice commentary.

laughing stalk (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 02:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sounds like... salted meat and a glass of bourbon

mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 02:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

The Chinese: Good enough to manufacture iPhones, not good enough to compete with the iPhone

, Friday, 25 July 2014 23:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

Gruber is probably just salty that Apple so badly misjudged the Chinese market with the 5c

, Friday, 25 July 2014 23:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

I think he honestly sees even Samsung's less brazen chasing/copying of iPhone features and aesthetics as some sort of monumental injustice, a crime not against just Apple but against all human creative endeavors.

Forks I'd Clove to Fu (silby), Friday, 25 July 2014 23:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

I have noticed that every page that tries to sell you something now has copied Apple's sales roll like

"Catchphrase. Less words. Bad pun."
<tiny paragraph of snappy text >

, Friday, 25 July 2014 23:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

remember when he went after mike daisey?

markers, Friday, 25 July 2014 23:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

some of the xiaomi stuff is ridic tho

markers, Friday, 25 July 2014 23:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

the apple community just had its bacon moment: http://twitter.com/siracusa/status/492789327639113728

markers, Friday, 25 July 2014 23:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

click through if u want pics

markers, Friday, 25 July 2014 23:44 (1 month ago) Permalink

more like john srirachacusa

socki (s1ocki), Saturday, 26 July 2014 01:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

remember when he went after mike daisey?

― markers, Friday, July 25, 2014 4:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbf Mike Daisey is a vacuous troll

Forks I'd Clove to Fu (silby), Saturday, 26 July 2014 16:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

i wasn't saying that wasn't deserved, just that he gets on these things from time to time

markers, Saturday, 26 July 2014 16:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

did anyone see the incident the other day when he posted something suggesting the iwatches release date and then said he was joking after (i think) the verge and shit picked it up?

markers, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 22:40 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

imagine launching the iphone 6 and the iwatch in the same event? a major revision to the iphone's gotta have its own thing. and the iwatch is a whole new category!

markers, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 22:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah that was bonkers, it was all "Gruber confirms iwatch for september" based on a stray joke

gruber presumably has handlers at this point, they probably put him on leak embargo

heck (silby), Tuesday, 12 August 2014 22:42 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

it didn't sound like a joke to me when i read it

markers, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 22:42 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/08/14/ford-polite

"Such a lovely piece." --the guy who enjoys calling people he disagrees with jackass

lag∞n, Friday, 15 August 2014 18:16 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yes but he likes a good martini so

caek, Friday, 15 August 2014 23:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

he likes stanley kubrick the rolling stones and the new york yankees

lag∞n, Friday, 15 August 2014 23:52 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

and long, slow, deep, soft, wet, Apple press events that last three days

anonanon, Saturday, 16 August 2014 00:10 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

people who stan that hard for stanley k but never ever mention any other directors make me go hmmm

socki (s1ocki), Monday, 18 August 2014 14:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

hes only interested in the very best dont u see

lag∞n, Monday, 18 August 2014 14:33 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

its like the dudes i knew in high school who only listened to movie soundtracks and no other music

socki (s1ocki), Monday, 18 August 2014 14:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

lmao that was such a 90s type

lag∞n, Monday, 18 August 2014 15:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"Given these assumptions and the Pythagorean Theorem"

(pythagorean theorem is a wikipedia link)

caek, Saturday, 23 August 2014 14:02 (1 week ago) Permalink

lol

lag∞n, Saturday, 23 August 2014 14:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

Trust the math.

lag∞n, Saturday, 23 August 2014 14:08 (1 week ago) Permalink

I could be wrong on either or both of these conjectured new iPhones. I derived these figures on my own, and I’ll explain my thought process below. No one who is truly “familiar with the situation” has told me a damn thing about either device. I have heard second- and third-hand stories, though, that lead me to think I’m right.

apple told someone and they told him

lag∞n, Saturday, 23 August 2014 14:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

no he just figured it out through MATH

socki (s1ocki), Saturday, 23 August 2014 15:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

soo much math

lag∞n, Saturday, 23 August 2014 15:14 (1 week ago) Permalink

imho pieces like this are where gruber usually shines where theres all design usability technical cultural business etc aspects, but this one cldve def been like 1/3 as long as it was

lag∞n, Saturday, 23 August 2014 15:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

tl;dr on marco's twitter beef with the wirecutter?

joe "scratch" perry (diamonddave85), Friday, 29 August 2014 22:47 (4 days ago) Permalink

HEADPHONE BEEF

lag∞n, Friday, 29 August 2014 22:48 (4 days ago) Permalink

Investigating, Marco apparently inadvertently started something with The Wirecutter people by making a now-edited post calling their process into question, which I think eventually escalated to Marco basically calling them plebs, the Wirecutter people calling him an amateur and then an asshole, and Brian Lam being accused of "race-baiting" by randoms.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Friday, 29 August 2014 22:59 (4 days ago) Permalink

lol

joe "scratch" perry (diamonddave85), Friday, 29 August 2014 23:08 (4 days ago) Permalink

he wrote a mea culpa saying he had been an asshole but kinda blaming it on social media and saying he was gonna try to log off more and smell the flowers and when i searched twitter to try to figure out the genesis of the beef i found millions of tweets complimenting him on his profundity

lag∞n, Saturday, 30 August 2014 00:30 (3 days ago) Permalink

pffffffffffffffffffffff

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 31 August 2014 23:24 (2 days ago) Permalink


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