tipping

Modest Mickey of this site once emailed me a letter he wanted proofread that he was going to give to his manager. The letter told his manager he was upset with her for having alleged black people are bad tippers. He asked for tips about the letter and I said, "make it about five pages shorter."

it's nagl on my part, i know, piling on, but if you're going to post could you try not to be so mindnumbingly stupid?

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Untippable Blackness

they aren't exactly cheap people

they... people

dude

well what am I supposed to say? are you really going to get into a "you people" argument?

If you don't get what I'm saying there, it's that the entire construction comes off as "blacks: they aren't exactly cheap people!"

And if you don't get why that sounds bad...

it's nagl on my part, i know, piling on, but if you're going to post could you try not to be so mindnumbingly stupid?

dude it's a real issue as has been confirmed quite a few times ITT and I was just wondering if this is a real stereotype or if the people I know were just being dumb, what the fuck are you on about

lesbian isn't a race btw

― iatee, Monday, June 20, 2011 8:54 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

^ knows the deal

it is indeed a real issue that has been crying out for your incisive commentary

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omg what am i doing i need an ilx break don't i

Maybe frogbs is doing field research so he can play Pino in "Do the Right Thing: Te Musical"

If you don't get what I'm saying there, it's that the entire construction comes off as "blacks: they aren't exactly cheap people!"

And if you don't get why that sounds bad...

then enlighten me, what am I supposed to say?

you're definitely trying to lead me to post something about the cheapness of blacks or whatever, I'm just saying I don't think that's the issue at all

wait haven't you posted that, i mean exactly that

not tipping well != cheap

http://thevegasclubs.com/images/10_tipping.jpg

i think the point is that if you really given any thought to racial/racist stereotypes especially in a public forum then you're inevitably gonna be seen as perpetuating them, wittingly or not.

cos the short simple answer is "racial stereotypes are stupid let's talk about something else"

you must be new here, frogbs

OK, I was talking about this with a friend of mine

I think the negative thing is that instead of explaining your experience with individuals and asking about it, you're about one step off of saying "they are not (a) cheap people." While there is a "black culture" in the US, it's not monolithic, although you're right -- some cultural things like how much to tip seem to vary.

But this entire beating around the bush and acting like it's a racial thing is... not really the way to approach cultural issues.

"They're not cheap, they just spend their money on courvousier"

always found poor people to be mcuh worse tippers & people than any specific race tbh

i dunno i find a lot of not poor people are excruciatingly mean when it comes to tipping after a meal but this is back in lol britishes territory, which is odd since we are notoriously whiter than american whites

what I'm wondering if why or if this is a cultural thing. that article did imply that blacks tip less though the margin is not as eye-popping as people have made it sound. i was part of an international club in college and a lot of them weren't really good tippers since they didn't have that culture there. that I understand. when we're talking about people who have been in this country their whole lives it gets a little more confusing

always found poor people to be mcuh worse tippers & people than any specific race tbh

i never found this true at all. poor people in general seemed to tip more than rich people in my experience. maybe that's why they were poor.

wtf are you winding me up guvnor qeII don't mean shit to me bruv xxp to nv

I got plenty of bad tips from enough people to know there was never a pattern to it

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i was using britishes in the american sense of "everybody living between Greenland and Moscow"

People who have been in the country their whole lives don't necessarily have the same experiences, though.

Why are all the popcorn gifs of black people?

i was using britishes in the american sense of "everybody living between Greenland and Moscow"

you'll excuse me for having national memory of when this was p much the british sense as well, john bull

alright i admit it i long for the return of the british empire

I guess the whole thing could be a self-perpetuating cycle though - like I said I've heard it so much by people in the service industry that I'm guessing they don't really get great service, which leads to them leaving smaller tips...I remember reading something on this board about how there really was a race issue, it seems like it's really just a shitty one that's self-perpetuating all the less

I def did notice some patterns w/tips when I delivered for Jimmy John's in lolcollege but eh don't see the point of talking about ancecdotal stuff like that really

I think it's a bit late to put "the whole thing" down to "a self-perpetuating cycle". Subjects don't "self-perpetuate", people make sure they they keep making the rounds and here it is you, sir, that is keeping the wheels in motion. xp

http://www.arthursclipart.org/children/babiescol/shock.gif

self-perpetuating Sbcycle

I think it's a bit late to put "the whole thing" down to "a self-perpetuating cycle". Subjects don't "self-perpetuate", people make sure they they keep making the rounds and here it is you, sir, that is keeping the wheels in motion. xp

there's a world outside of ILX you know

Whoa shut the hell up

thank god you're here to explain it to us\

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Guys don't be startled by that noise it is probably just the scales falling from my eyes

keep going horseshoe you'll make the excelsior thread one day

yeah horseshoe

keep going

i will say this tho: visigoths are surprisingly great tippers

Except when you make excelsior, frogbs, it's usually the setup...

Third worst tippers - high school kids in large groups.

― bill magill (milo z), Monday, June 20, 2011 3:50 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

truth bomb, but cut out the "third"

I SHOULD TAKE YOU OUT BY MY FENCE SO YOU WOULD SEE WHAT A GOOD POST LOOKS LIKE

Okay lol

Why are all the popcorn gifs of black people?

― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Monday, June 20, 2011 4:18 PM Bookmark

Black people love popcorn. Can't believe you've never heard this.

There's even an article about it on the Internet.

best tippers have got to be those who are deployed overseas - that's definitely one group of people who don't mind blowing a bunch of money very quickly

are you now inventing good tippers to provide new thread content?