actually, the intro on the real clip is pretty noodly. only marginally better than the sanders pisstake.
― charlie h, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
haha
Complicated, but I'm not sure I'd consider Eddie Van Halen a virtuoso. That is, I don't think EVH is such an adept guitarist he can play anything. Like Lindsey Buckingham, he's more of a self-taught, sui generis sort of guy. I mean, has anyone ever heard anything featuring EVH sitting in with someone else? Can he play well with others?― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:22 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:22 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol I see Josh has been at this for awhile!
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:25 (nine years ago) link
my guitar teacher in hs loved van halen, and so I learned some of their songs back when. but I've only recently been able to appreciate this band's music. guitar magazines ruined so much good stuff for me for too long.
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
lol @ posting a St Sanders "shreds" video as an example.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
Would have went with Fair Warning.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, 27 February 2015 01:36 (nine years ago) link
20+ years ago i saw him stumble drunkenly onstage during a simon and garfunkel reunion at a bridge school benefit and attempt to solo along with "sound of silence"
― brimstead, Friday, 27 February 2015 05:24 (nine years ago) link
two of the all-round better albums got 0 votes (i am not talking about 5150 for the record).
― charlie h, Friday, 27 February 2015 14:49 (nine years ago) link
xpost holy shit, you saw that? That gets special put-down status in the Sammy Hagar book. Here it is in all its WTF-nesss:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzZsl1YVkZw
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 February 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link
Oh no. What a terrible idea.
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 27 February 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link
that is worse than st sanders
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 27 February 2015 15:16 (nine years ago) link
oh my that was horrible. strange how he wasn't even remotely able to complement the song, even after several minutes, but i guess he was off in his own little world.
― charlie h, Friday, 27 February 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link
Ie, apparently dead drunk.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 February 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link
it would be hard to complement 'Sound of Silence' with a run of notes played as fast as EVH would prefer to play them.
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 27 February 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
also just the idea of S&G softly cooing
'Hello darkness, my old friendI've come to talk with you againBecause a vision softly creepingLeft its seeds while I was sleepingAnd the vision that was planted in my brainStill remainsWithin the sound of silence'
and then *guitar solo*
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 27 February 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link
it could be a fantastic solo, but it would still ruin the song
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 27 February 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link
LOS ANGELES – Van Halen will release its first-ever live album to feature original singer David Lee Roth. Recorded on June 21, 2013 at the famed Tokyo Dome in Tokyo, Japan, TOKYO DOME LIVE IN CONCERT includes 23 songs, spanning all seven of the band’s albums with Roth. It will be released as a double CD; four-LP set on 180-gram vinyl; and digitally beginning March 31, 2015. ... The band recently went back to the original analog tapes and remastered both of these landmark albums – Van Halen and 1984 – which are now also set for release on March 31, 2015 through Warner Bros. Records with pre-orders through Amazon available now. Mastering engineer Chris Bellman, who remastered the original albums for Bernie Grundman Studios, Hollywood, CA, was enlisted for these new versions. In order to produce the original sound the band intended, Bellman cut straight from the quarter-inch tapes for CD; for 180-gram vinyl; and for the digital version. Newly mastered versions of Diver Down, Women and Children First, Van Halen II and Fair Warning are also being cut for each format and will be available soon.
The band recently went back to the original analog tapes and remastered both of these landmark albums – Van Halen and 1984 – which are now also set for release on March 31, 2015 through Warner Bros. Records with pre-orders through Amazon available now. Mastering engineer Chris Bellman, who remastered the original albums for Bernie Grundman Studios, Hollywood, CA, was enlisted for these new versions. In order to produce the original sound the band intended, Bellman cut straight from the quarter-inch tapes for CD; for 180-gram vinyl; and for the digital version. Newly mastered versions of Diver Down, Women and Children First, Van Halen II and Fair Warning are also being cut for each format and will be available soon.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 14:37 (nine years ago) link
god the "shreds" videos still make me giggle like an idiot
― casual male (will), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link
II very underrated here and just in general imo
― casual male (will), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link
yeah that's a really good record
― Keith Moom (Neil S), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link
I break it down like this:
Van Halen - practically perfect debutVan Halen - some super highs, but feels sort of like leftovers from the same sessions (which is cool)
Women and Children First: Luster and novelty fading a bit. Fair Warning: The brown sound epitomized, grungy and grim.
Diver Down: Van Halen has totally run out of steam and ideas.
1984: So cohesive and awesome I am convinced it was ghost written (*my person conspiracy theory)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link
BTW, I stand by my opinion that VH features a totally shit rhythm section, but I'm torn, because so many of their songs feature these insanely complex odd time breakdowns. "Unchained," "Jump," even "Why Can't This Be Love."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link
A ghost, you say?
http://i.imgur.com/gQLQ9UB.jpg
― pplains, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
haha, the fuck just happened to my picture of Michael McDonald?
― pplains, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link
He's a ghost!! QAhhhhh!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link
I don't know how the copyright holder did that, but kudos.
http://i.imgur.com/wjZpD8O.png
― pplains, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link
He's the root of my conspiracy, actually. So, Diver Down had the guys totally out of ideas, and they were so drunk/drugged out. Then blam, here comes 1984, which showcases a band at the peak of its powers, pop or otherwise. Totally tight. Yet the initial run did not credit Michael M for "I'll Wait," which makes me think there were other ringers involved too, who either didn't sue/question or were dealt with more quietly.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:24 (nine years ago) link
Can he play well with others?
This is a pretty interesting/sad interview with Eddie (and Steve Morse and Albert Lee) on an occasion when he had a little trouble sitting in:http://www.stevemorse.info/interviews/199105musician.html
(VH's manager subsequently left an angry message on Musician magazine's answering machine, calling the interviewer "a k*ke.")
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
new live album and another round of remasters in the offing.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:31 (nine years ago) link
well as long as they don't include 23 songs, spanning all seven of the band’s albums with Roth, that'll be fine.
― pplains, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link
First I've heard.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link
Josh, no offense intended, but you really should try to keep up with these things
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link
Did you hear the news?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 17:02 (nine years ago) link
Poor EZ Snappin, has a hard time sitting in with others.
― pplains, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link
I found a press release, too:
LOS ANGELES – Van Halen will release its first-ever live album to feature original singer David Lee Roth. Recorded on June 21, 2013 at the famed Tokyo Dome in Tokyo, Japan, TOKYO DOME LIVE IN CONCERT includes 23 songs, spanning all seven of the band’s albums with Roth. It will be released as a double CD; four-LP set on 180-gram vinyl; and digitally beginning March 31, 2015. ...The band recently went back to the original analog tapes and remastered both of these landmark albums – Van Halen and 1984 – which are now also set for release on March 31, 2015 through Warner Bros. Records with pre-orders through Amazon available now. Mastering engineer Chris Bellman, who remastered the original albums for Bernie Grundman Studios, Hollywood, CA, was enlisted for these new versions. In order to produce the original sound the band intended, Bellman cut straight from the quarter-inch tapes for CD; for 180-gram vinyl; and for the digital version. Newly mastered versions of Diver Down, Women and Children First, Van Halen II and Fair Warning are also being cut for each format and will be available soon.― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, March 3, 2015 8:37 AM (3 hours ago)
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, March 3, 2015 8:37 AM (3 hours ago)
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
now we're snappin at eddie's tempo!
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5781HJqnhBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krsai3plmKw
Like the Edge and U2, if I was forming a Van Halen tribute band, there is no guitarist I'd rather have than Eddie Van Halen.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 01:59 (nine years ago) link
brings a tear to the eye
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 02:12 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvSjJyQ6Pto
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
btw, this is what I see on my browser at work:
http://i.imgur.com/O6yxiqV.png
Went home last night, saw this page on a different screen, and MM looked fine. Some of you probably thought I was nuts.
― pplains, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkaqpNsZKwE
― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
These clips are horrible. I didn't expect much form a live record cut on the last tour, but ugh.
they had me on my knees, just begging for that last chorus of Panama
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
if you change your guitar's low E string, you know it's not ready for prime time until you can play the chorus of Panama and stay in tune
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, we're runnin' a little bit hot tonight.
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
I can barely see the thread from the heat comin' off of it.
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link
Ah, you place your mouse pointer between the 'g' and 'P', ease the seat back.
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
She's flag postin'. I'm flag postin'.
― you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 17:54 (nine years ago) link
listening to 1984 it's such an odd blockbuster pop metal album....opens with a 1:30 Vangelis song then there's not a guitar til about halfway thru "Jump"...
obv it's got hits but there's also so many "prog in miniature" moments, little odd breakdowns or places where Eddie plays fancy 9th chords or some shit, weird touches that don't have to be there and make the song less commercial if anything but Eddie makes it work....or just having a hit with the ominous synths of "I'll Wait" they could really do it all
also like he's so much more fluid than every other pop metal guitar hero, he sounds like liquid mercury
also Alex and Ted Templeman never went for the big "Phil Collins" gated snare and huge cannon toms thing so the recording actually sounds a lot less dated than a lot of 80s stuff
― Steve Gunn Mann-Dude (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 June 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link
like first 30 seconds of Top Jimmy is a good example, the weird little harmonic pattern is gorgeous but what other band of their era would start a song like that (that wasn't at least cod prog like Triumph or something?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8lFZdGpYhQ
― Steve Gunn Mann-Dude (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 June 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link
Hard to believe 5150 is the followup - talk about two records light years apart on so many levels.
― BlackIronPrison, Monday, 27 June 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link
3,166 levels to be exact.
― pplains, Monday, 27 June 2016 21:05 (seven years ago) link
xpost I'm not sure there was enough sonic room for a big, booming gated snare. I think it was Jimmy Page who opined that you can either mix up the drums or mix up the guitar, but you can't do both. LZ obvious mixes the drums high, Phil Collins/Genesis was sort of radical for pushing the drums super high in the mix, but those 80s Genesis songs have virtually no guitar, let alone big guitars. VH goes for the guitar, which is also taking up a ton of sonic real estate. A big poosh-y snare in VH would detract from the guitar.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 June 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
The toms and cymbals of "I'll Wait" comes as close to Collins, i suppose, but some fine trap-work and production on that track, fer sure.
These days, i go back to Women and Children First, moreso than any other of their albums.
― bodacious ignoramus, Monday, 27 June 2016 23:55 (seven years ago) link
xpost And not a coincidence, the guitar plays second fiddle on that track, at least until the solo.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 00:15 (seven years ago) link
Listening to the Gary Cherone album Balance right now (don't judge me motherfucker)
but anyway, like I swear to god his Hagar impersonation is uncanny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYMcSHzHqxA
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 15:06 (five years ago) link