DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

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I come from an air force family btw and spent my childhood on various bases, so I appreciated what a huge thing this is for the people that live there.

scraping wheatus off the wheel (NickB), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, me too - I've lived my whole life on or near RAF bases (and I'm a lily-livered pacifist too, though I've recently decided on certain revolutionary exceptions). But Fox even referred to the SNP's (very unlikely to succeed) threat of independence as a reason for the decision. He's punishing communities for how they vote.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hadn't caught that aspect of it, but Fox has always been a huge cock.

Should say best wishes to you and yours dowd, dunno what you do but I hope yr okay.

scraping wheatus off the wheel (NickB), Monday, 18 July 2011 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

It's kinda up in the air at the mo, but cheers.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

i had thought the scots wanted uk armed forces off their patch??

so brycey (history mayne), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Doubtless some of them do - the minority who support independence. But no-one in communities around these bases wants them to go. We should have found another of Ewen MacGregor's siblings to protect Leuchars, as they (thankfully) did Lossiemouth.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

Quite sad about this. I worked at Leuchars for 8 years and had a great time, still know a few people there and hope things will work out ok for them.

The multi-talented F.R. David (Billy Dods), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Brooks's husband Charlie says bag belonged to him not Rebekah. Spokesman says: "A cleaner thought it was rubbish and put it in the bin.

What cleaner throws a computer in a bin? loool

prolego, Monday, 18 July 2011 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

scotland hates tories, tories hate us. this will never change.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

also the nats don't want rid of the brit armed forces, salmond campaigned against this iirc.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yes, he did - he gave a speech n the village hall across the road from my house. The SNP's position was that we've already lost a base, so expecting Scotland to bear 2 of it's 3 bases closed was ridiculous, so both Lossiemouth and Leuchars should stay open.

At least it will be quieter here - the Typhoons are noisy as hell. Now it'll just be rifle drills and the odd helicopter (assuming the vague ideas about an army barracks come to fruition, and even then it'll probably be about five years)

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

imo the defence review is classic osbornomics, ie unserious. it wasn't a real review: if they don't want the uk to be one of the big clubs, they should make that case, but doing it as part of a defence review *and then launching into a new war* was just derrrrrrrrrrrrp.

so brycey (history mayne), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Fox kept responding to questions by saying things like 'in order to achieve a regular/reservist proportion similar to the US we have to...' but he never explained why such a ratio was desirable. Of course, it's all about the £££'s, but he should have the guts to say so.

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Monday, 18 July 2011 20:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

November 2006:

Shadow Olympics minister Hugh Robertson said: "The secretary of state has admitted to a 40% increase.

"She has failed to disclose the true cost of VAT, contingency, building cost inflation and security, much of which was entirely predictable at the time of the bid.

"Today's increase is just a starting point. While the figures remain ambiguous, we can only expect further increases."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6167504.stm

July 2011:

The Olympic Delivery Authority has announced 88% of the building programme for London 2012 is now complete.

It has also been announced the anticipated final cost of the project fell by £16m during the last quarter.

This has prompted Sports Minister Hugh Robertson to say for the first time he is "confident" the project will come in under its £9.3bn budget.

He said: "With one year to go construction is 88% complete, ahead of time and under budget."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14201730

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 13:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

NHS services opened to competition

stet, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

FUCK THESE PEOPLE.

natalie imbroglio (suzy), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wheelchair services an interesting choice for the first round, given Cameron's been talking about his troubles with them.

stet, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

Seriously, fuck these guys. They know it's completely buried.

emil.y, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

I hear Champneys in Tring treats people in wheelchairs well...

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

Interesting choice of day to announce this eh?

a million anons (onimo), Tuesday, 19 July 2011 15:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

The Guardian has the Lansley announcement story on page 15, the Independent on page 21, The Times on page 17 and the Daily Mail on page 31. And that's your lot.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 07:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

iirc this was something that was going to happen. and now it has happened, kind of thing.

only bad dog on the street (history mayne), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 08:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Osborne's lost his (Jonny) marbles?

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Dorset County Council is closing 9 of its 34 libraries, with 11 of those left to be run by unpaid volunteers and community groups.

Apparently it's OK because 75 per cent of Dorset residents never set foot inside a library.

Wonder what the percentage of primary school age children is. Oh.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

They all vote Tory down there anyway, so fuck 'em, they're getting what they voted for

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

those primary school age child tory voters are the fuckin worst

MY WEEDS STRONG BLUD.mp3 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Let them take it up with their parents

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 July 2011 14:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

d-cam is editing the next issue of the big issue o_0 o_0

whose ideas was that? good god

lex pretend, Friday, 22 July 2011 09:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

sure that's "editing" and not "selling" ?

graveshitwave (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 July 2011 09:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

get on with running the country into the ground you prick

ledge, Friday, 22 July 2011 09:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, in this current situation, that's bound to be a good idea.

Next up, Harold Shipman opens his own old people's home...

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 09:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

d-cam is editing the next issue of the big issue o_0 o_0

whose ideas was that?

[Big Issue founder, John] Bird revealed in 2010 "My guilty secret is that I’m really a working class Tory. There, I’ve said it. I’d love to be a liberal because they’re the nice people but it’s really hard work – I can’t swallow their gullibility and I think their ideas are stupid. I’d love to be someone who wonders around in a kind of Utopian paradise seeing only the good in everybody but I just can’t. I support capital punishment for a start. I know this will destroy my reputation among middle-class liberals but I’m 64 now and I should be able to breathe a bit. Wearing the corsetry of liberalism means that every now and then you have to take it off."

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

My guilty secret is that I’m really a working class Tory

Form what i've seen of this guy over the years I wouldn't exactly call that a secret

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

"working class"

graveshitwave (Noodle Vague), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is that the British meaning of 'liberal' or the American definition?

natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

US I imagine, I assume the sneer used when saying it is the same in any case

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 10:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Getting people to sell your product without having to worry about if they have enough to pay their mortgages...

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 10:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Plus, of course, being pure 'profit-share' means the minimum wage doesn't apply, right?

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 10:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm not slagging the whole enterprise, just defining it.

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 10:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

I used to write for the Big Issue in the '90s. I seldom see people buying them with the same enthusiasm today.

natalie imbroglio (suzy), Friday, 22 July 2011 11:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yes, it's only middle-class liberals who wonder around in a kind of Utopian paradise seeing only the good in everybody who seem to buy it these days

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 11:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

The rest of us have taken our corsets off and say "no thanks"

Mark G, Friday, 22 July 2011 11:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Huhne's a naughty boy then?

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 22 July 2011 13:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

Re: RAF Leuchars

Dowd / Billy Dods - please email me at albaba at gmail dot com if you're interested in writing a short blogpost about the closure for this series:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/series/the-cuts-get-personal

... or could put me in touch with someone who might be.

Cheers

Alba, Monday, 25 July 2011 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

Does ilx just not have a norway massarcre thread? Or am I being dense looking at sna?

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 25 July 2011 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

2011 Oslo/Utoeya Norway attacks

Gukbe, Monday, 25 July 2011 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Cheers.

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 25 July 2011 17:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

What an amazing old duffer:

A DISTINGUISHED barrister has called on Theresa May to ban “left-wing” marches in Piccadilly after damage to the Ritz at anti-cuts protests earlier this year.

John Beveridge QC (pictured) co-founder and chairman of amenity group the St James’s Conservation Trust, said such marches attracted “ragtag” protesters who “become violent and urinate all over the place”.

He added: “I have written to the Home Secretary, who has responded in the usual pusillanimous and ambiguous way, that these marches should be sent on routes that don’t take them past Fortnum and Mason and Cartier and the Ritz, that pass ordinary shops that won’t so inflame them. There’s no fun for them in attacking Safeway or Costcutter, but they love beating up the Ritz.

“The Home Secretary should have a bit more political guts and say that this type of march must be diverted elsewhere.”

http://www.westendextra.com/news/2011/jul/keep-activist-protests-away-ritz-says-john-beveridge-qc-common-sense-restrict-marches

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 06:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

ahem, safeway haven't existed in the UK for a decade or thereabouts?

i'm not a lawyer, but i play one on a messageboard (stevie), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 07:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

He is an old soldier.

... and a Martin Parr photo essay (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 October 2014 10:15 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

thought this was a hack, but it's been up two hours now.
https://twitter.com/educationgovuk/status/528892190496686080

"Nonsense to say schools 'must teach gay rights'. We want schools to teach broad curric based on British values" (@educationgovuk)

gyac, Sunday, 2 November 2014 14:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Raus! Raus!

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Monday, 3 November 2014 15:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Wow the Labour Party is so inept at committing regicide. Their brilliant plan seems to be to replace E-Milli with a dude who doesn't want the job and whose first act as shadow chancellor was to tell the media he was off to buy a primer in economics.

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 November 2014 09:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

When was the last time a party chucked their leader when they were ahead in the polls with six months to go until a general election? I have little to no sympathy for Miliband but The Guardian has been trying to orchestrate this for months and the only MPs who have hinted in public that they would look at a change are Simon Danczuk, who'd be more at home in UKIP anyway, and Tristram Hunt.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 9 November 2014 09:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

There doesn't even seem to be an ethos behind the 'plotters' other than 'we should have someone who is more popular'.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 9 November 2014 09:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

that sentiment is the Clause 4 of Ghost Labour

Stim McRaw (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 November 2014 10:19 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

EMil has barely anybody else but himself to blame for his leadership but there's been a whiff of anti-semitism amongst the general anti-intelligentsiaism that's been pelted at him from day 1. NB you don't have to be a member of any kind of intelligentsia to draw the insinuations from the gutter press.

Stim McRaw (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 November 2014 10:22 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Be too smart/dumb/weird/straight/ginger/bald/plebian/privileged

Be the leader of the labour party, at any point in history

Mark G, Sunday, 9 November 2014 10:28 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"We should have someone who is more popular" is a reflexive panic move from any party especially when faced with actively populist leaders like Salmond and Farage. Some segments of the Tories are desperate for Boris Johnson for the same reason.

The "he looks weird" thing is definitely informed by unacknowledged anti-semitism - cf multiple amateur social media comedians comparing him to the Child Catcher. Although it's worth pointing out that the person to whom he is most consistently unfavourably compared is his own brother.

My guess is that Labour's long poll lead has been entirely chimeric for years and will evaporate at election time. Still, I suspect that Labour were banking on basically stumbling over the line next May and are now bricking themselves because of Scotland. There's almost certainly some unvoiced frustration at the leadership having committed to austerity, which still feels like a very high political price to pay for the opportunity to scrape over the line and become the weakest and post pilloried Prime Minister since the 70s if not before.

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 November 2014 11:18 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

has this genuinely happened anywhere in the last 50 years? i mean surely you don't/ can't switch leaders with less 200 days to go? i wonder what David Miliband makes of it all.

piscesx, Sunday, 9 November 2014 11:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

One of my friends is wont to save of EMil, "If only he'd die or something!" That's, uh, pretty harsh. Still, Gaitskell, mystery illness, rapid decline and death, Labour win next election.

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Sunday, 9 November 2014 11:47 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

... John Smith!

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Sunday, 9 November 2014 11:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, that worked out well

Stim McRaw (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 November 2014 11:49 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

has this genuinely happened anywhere in the last 50 years? i mean surely you don't/ can't switch leaders with less 200 days to go?

Australia last year (& cf the last four years)

the incredible string gland (sic), Sunday, 9 November 2014 12:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 10:12 (2 days ago) Permalink

not sure how much damage this will do to the tories but both cabbies and van drivers insulted by the old guard trad parties in the space of one week in what feels like son of plebgate - seems to be creating yet more room for farage to do his man of the people shtick and the sun seems to be more than happy to stir it up

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 10:21 (2 days ago) Permalink

^^^ Is exactly what this is about. UKIP might as well be the political wing of News International at the moment. The Sun probably doesn't want them as a government but they're one hell of a pressure group on both main parties.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 10:25 (2 days ago) Permalink

there is a personal element too though - mellor has long been an enemy of the tabloids, am sure that murdoch is loving the chance to stick the boot in

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 25 November 2014 10:52 (2 days ago) Permalink

So Cameron has issued a 'warning' of a second recession. A warning, mind. Not an admission. If you don't all behave, that's what's going to happen.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/16/david-cameron-third-eurozone-recession-g20-warning

Piss-Up Artist (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 November 2014 15:26 (Yesterday) Permalink


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