Abe Lincoln, gay man?

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i am totally hamming (gaying?) up my halloween costume this year.

JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Anth is wrong -- the word "homosexual" predates "heterosexual" by a few years. And in the paper that first uses the term "heterosexual", it's frowned upon (but it compares "heterosexual" sex, which is all about pleasure, to "procreative" sex, which is all about baby making). Homosexual sex is, in that paper, portrayed as breaking the divine law, but heterosexual sex is a perversion of holy procreative sex, and thus worse than homosexuality.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

"well, that and the dead babies."

i will try to work this phrase into several conversations this week.

amateur!!st, Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Homosexual sex is, in that paper, portrayed as breaking the divine law, but heterosexual sex is a perversion of holy procreative sex, and thus worse than homosexuality.

I heart sinning.

Hank Tenbeer (kenan), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

maybe his gayness is what turned mary todd into such a lunatic. well, that and the dead babies.

I've read suggestions that Mary Todd Lincoln's were not inconsistent with tertiary syphilis. This doesn't prove anything about Lincoln's sexual preferences, but this wouldn't be the first case in which a man caught a VD from an extramarital partner and passed it on to his wife.

Mind you, seeing one's husband shot right in front of you would tend to unhinge most minds.

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Grr...."...Mary Todd Lincoln's symptoms in later years were not..."

j.lu (j.lu), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, she was unhinged before that.

Hank Tenbeer (kenan), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Mind you, seeing one's husband shot right in front of you would tend to unhinge most minds.

Particularly if the shooter then threw dead gay babies at you.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

(Not that Booth did that, I'm just saying.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Sic semper deadbabyis.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Death to dead babies? Overkill, I'd say.

Hank Tenbeer (kenan), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i thot it was heterosexual by a few months, though i might have read ned katz wrong.

anthony, Thursday, 28 October 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link

ten years pass...

cut to the chase: Kramer's historical novel (part 1!) sez Lincoln and many other presidents, Hamilton, Lafayette et al were queer

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link

is Buchanan in there

(the closet)

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link

too obvious maybe? Washington, tho.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link

in Burr, Vidal's narrator hints that Washington has a massive crush on Hamilton, and that the latter advanced because of his accepting the attentions of older men.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link

lol at this

Joshua Speed, the most important of Abe’s amours is copiously quoted and/ or paraphrased from documents Larry has examined: “From the first night we met I held him in my arms, each night for going on four years. And he held me in his arms even tighter. We were both big strapping young men and my big bed took quite a beating. If Billy came upon us, or Abner, in the middle of our occupations, they would throw a pillow at us. Oh how we laughed, all of us. Those were happy days. Abraham was twenty-eight. I was twenty-two.”

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link

you have no romance in your heart

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 March 2015 21:56 (nine years ago) link

We were both big strapping young men and my big bed took quite a beating. If Billy came upon us, or Abner, in the middle of our occupations, they would throw a pillow at us. Oh how we laughed, all of us. Those were happy days.

I don't think I've read this Clickhole article

the geographibebebe (unregistered), Friday, 27 March 2015 02:41 (nine years ago) link

but I can tell it was written by the 'big jazz boy' person

the geographibebebe (unregistered), Friday, 27 March 2015 02:41 (nine years ago) link

that's a heck of a url

call all destroyer, Friday, 27 March 2015 03:30 (nine years ago) link

per the NYT review today, Franklin, Jackson, Pierce, Buchanan, Samuel Clemens, all gay

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2015 17:25 (nine years ago) link

Pierce was one of the cuter and more bibulous presidents.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 March 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link


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