Sonic Youth to Play UPenn Spring Fling + Student Reactions

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"I like Sonic Youth myself so I'd like to see that [but] I don't see them drawing too big of a crowd," Engineering freshman Nick Drake said.

Also. $70,000? Jesus fucking Christ, that's inflated!

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude's complaining about Maceo Parker??? It's like getting a briefcase full of unmarked bills and lamenting that it doesn't match your suit.

Matt Chesnut, Monday, 28 March 2005 04:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, but $70,000!

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Presuming the venue's free, tech is free, security is free, insurance is free, etc., etc., that's 3500 x $20.00 tix that'd be needed to break-even. Granted, this is likely underwritten by an activities-board, but I don't buy for a second that it really cost $70,000 just for the band.

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago) link

The best one, in all seriousness:

and just so you know, people don't make fun of Penn kids for their pseudo-intellectualism. they make fun of them because they think ivy-leaguers are rich, spoiled brats. which this interesting sentiment, "We deserve better" seems to reflect nicely. maybe Mommy and Daddy can get Jimmy Eat World to play your birthday party, hon. then you won't have to be such a sad little raincloud.

t-bone

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link

haha remy i pointed out the nick drake thing in the 2nd post on the thread! Like maria said though, they should totally have him perform.

djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

he's an engineer, maybe he can like build a lego guitar or something.

djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

here's my take, as someone who oversees my departments budget on the money thing. the provost's office gave them 70K for the show. sonic youth is guaranteed at least 25K of that money. [if stereolab garners 10K per show, and no one cares about them, then sonic youth is probably more] catpower & citizen cope will probably receive 15K total with their guarantees.

with only 30K remaining in their budget, they still need to construct a full stage & rent a sound system, set up fencing and all security related issues. the cost of the stage is probably going to eat up the remaining part of that money, so in order to pay for everything else, they need to use ticket sales. and i wouldnt be surprised if the bands receive a percentage of ticket sales in addition to their guarantees.

i am going to guess that the entire thing will cost in the realm of 100-125K to put on. let's hope about 2,800 students decide to attend this thing in order for them to break even.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, my school blew its entire budget on Blues Traveller circa 1996. But I guess the indie rock kids and frat kids are still fighting it out, then? WHERE IS GOMEZ WHEN YOU NEED THEM TO UNITE OUR CAMPUSES??

Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

we booked the the shins (w/ fiery furnaces) for our show last fall... sold out before i got a ticket. bastards.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:11 (nineteen years ago) link

These kids should be thankful they get Sonic Yoof and Cat Power instead of Ryan Adams and the Shins. Who could complete the trifecta of bland with Adams and the Shins? Beachwood Sparks? Iron & Wine?

maria and djdee completely OTM:
cat power in front of thousands of fraternity douches is pretty much worth the cost of admission alone.
and
This situation seems perfectly set up for me to hate anyone who has a position to argue.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, I think all my (admittedly tiny private liberal arts school) got was some no-name Christian rock band and a lesbian folksinger or two.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 28 March 2005 05:24 (nineteen years ago) link

this is my favorite part:

"SPEC Concerts could learn a lot from SPEC Connaissance -- which recently announced Martin Sheen will be speaking at Penn -- about what appeals to students "

so what they could learn is that students like old people, except when they're musicians?

Al (sitcom), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:01 (nineteen years ago) link

how far is UPenn from Baltimore. I might go to this! probably the closest to me that SY will play this year.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:02 (nineteen years ago) link

about 1.5 hours from baltimore. not far at all.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:06 (nineteen years ago) link

cool! I'm there. maybe.

Al (sitcom), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh shit which is funnier?:

"Go see the show. In 1990, we had Jerry Seinfeld who no one heard of and he was amazing. That year we also had Meatloaf right before his comeback."

or

"I compare them [SY] to Ace-of-Base, an afterthought, almost a novelty act.....and now I hear Dartmouth gets Robert Randolph AND Talib Kwali? I thought we had more pride than that."

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Monday, 28 March 2005 07:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Students Against Sonic Youth!

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 28 March 2005 07:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, we got stuck with Otis Day & the Knights.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 28 March 2005 07:38 (nineteen years ago) link

My school got Naughty by Nature freshman year! Coolest shit ever! They got mad cuz some fratnerdity stole their banner. They were great live though.

djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 March 2005 08:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Spoon played at Rice my senior year, way back when in '97. I enjoyed the show and the copy of the Soft Effects EP that I picked up afterwards, but the band kinda dropped off my radar for a few years after that.

John Fredland (jfredland), Monday, 28 March 2005 08:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Cat Power should never be played or (especially) play at a party.

shookout (shookout), Monday, 28 March 2005 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, these kids seem really spoiled.

shookout (shookout), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Best post:
Haha. "Who are they? I've never heard of them before?" I've never heard of you before either, but you don't see me complaining to a newspaper about it. Sonic Youth are pretty huge, not an "Underground Punk Rock" band. Maybe if Brother Inferior or Skitsystem or something was playing, that phrase could be justified. And by the way, why do you guys feel that you "deserve" a bigger name? You pay to go to college to get an education, not to see bands, you should be happy with what you have. You don't deserve anything

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 28 March 2005 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i got stuck with... no one! my college didnt have extracurricular activity organizations and we werent allowed to have concerts on campus [aside from the ones put on by the school of performing arts].

penn kids ARE spoiled, but then again most ivy league folks are. i mean, you dont pay all that money for an education, its for the privilege.

Spoon played at Rice my senior year, way back when in '97. I enjoyed the show and the copy of the Soft Effects EP that I picked up afterwards, but the band kinda dropped off my radar for a few years after that.

you're a funny one.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

also: apologies to the ivy league alumni here -- you folks dont suck.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

SUBOG-sponsored shows during my brief stint @ UConn (12 years ago): Arrested Development; Violent Femmes; Rusted Root

WHUS-sponsored shows during my brief stint @ UConn (12 years ago): Fugazi & Shudder to Think; Velocity Girl & Magic Hour; Archers of Loaf; Dambuilders

Bless you, WHUS. (Even if I didn't go to the Fugazi show.)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 13:41 (nineteen years ago) link

the best post starts "i asked my punk-informed friend..." - that seems to be the only really open-minded post to me. WTF? sonic youth fans hate "drop it like it's hot"? laaaaaame.

peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it is situations like this that create corny indie fuxx.

J (Jay), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

It would be awesome if they did the silverware-in-the-strings stuff.

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Monday, 28 March 2005 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

They should play NYC Ghosts and Flowers in its entirety as punishment for the students' comments.

cdwill, Monday, 28 March 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

One of our spring weekends was headlined by John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band.

mcd (mcd), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Sonic Youth played on campus for a whole lotta $$$ in '98. They treated it as a tour warm-up and only played songs from the unreleased A Thousand Leaves. They seemed to think they'd be cheesing off the PSU mainstream but the jocks loved it cuz it was loud, the hippies were grooving off the hits of sunshine and it was their fans that stood around going "uhhh...the Diamond Sea? Anything?" I had a promo copy of the album so I dug it. I kinda wonder if spending a kajill on SY is just asking for a standoffish gig.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm dying here. Talib Kweli (who is playing on Saturday) is the best thing our Programming Board has brought in recent memory, and even he's dropped off of late! Before that we've had Maroon 5, Dashboard Confessional, and OAR. Kill me, but first abolish our programming board

x^xpost poortheatre: Are you on NYU PB?

i am nervous (cochere), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha- when I was at Stanford we had Toad the Wet Sprocket. Now that was pathetic.

o. nate (onate), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

God that Thousand Leaves tour was BORING and craptastic. The whole album, in order! It was like watching karoake.

In 96/97, my university choose Sass Jordan & Trooper over Sloan. I have no right to complain.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Craziness, Noodles! I saw SY on that tour @ Smith (before, or just after, the album came out), & it was fantastic! Granted, I hadn't heard the album before the show, but, still, WOOOOOOOOOOO!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah but that's the hometown gig!

miccio (miccio), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

The album had been out for about half a year at that point, and to make matters worse it was done as played on the album. I had more fun watching their kid on the side of the stage with industrial headphones on. She showed more energy then the band combined until the encore.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i saw sonic youth on their recent tour and they were pretty on -- excellent stage presence, good setlist. less penn kids just means more room for me.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Everyone I was with thought Steve Shelley should have gotten the majority of the money from our gig. Dude was on.

(two uses of "on" in the past tense x-post!)

miccio (miccio), Monday, 28 March 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I compare them [SY] to Ace-of-Base, an afterthought, almost a novelty act.....and now I hear Dartmouth gets Robert Randolph AND Talib Kwali? I thought we had more pride than that.

???

sleep (sleep), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

stereolab ain't no $10k, nor is sy $25k - unless their agents wanna hose dumb college kidz (precisely what's happening).

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

or, maybe more precisely, want to suckle at bloated ivy league entertainment budgets.

Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

hstencil: i know stereolab were 10K in philly last time around at the troc, for a fact.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

the RZA headlining princeton lawnparties was pretty messy...thankfully there was free beer. go ivy league state!

irrigation can save your people (irrigation can save your peopl), Monday, 28 March 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link

as a graduate student at penn and a regular poster here, i have to repost my ranting response to the DP editorially that started "So what is your favorite Cat Power song? Oh, you don't know who they are?"

My rant in it's entirety:

these performers are hardly esoteric...pretty standard fare for anyone who gives two shits about popular music. anyway, it doesn't take an idiot to figure out that large scale collegiate concerts are a mistake to begin with. pop-music philistines will always resent decent line-ups while failing to realize that the bands they'd like to hear are too busy selling out stadiums and amphitheaters to bother with putting on a private concert for Penn students.

as the author of the editorial can't figure out that a crowd-pleasing concert of the sort he craves is untenable at Penn (even though there was a DP article covering exactly why it is impossible published several months ago), i suspect he is even more worthless than an idiot: the sort of person that will move from his fraternity house right out to the suburbs upon graduation where he can live out the remainder of his proudly unexamined life.
(just imagine listening to Linkin Park on your humvee's kickin' bose stereo...i bet it will sound soooo awesome. it's out there... just waiting for you... dumb-ass.)

vocab review
philistine: A smug, ignorant, especially middle-class person who is regarded as being indifferent or antagonistic to artistic and cultural values. (does this describe you?)

mono.mono (mono.mono), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago) link

so I came a little unhinged maybe, but the whole affair is so irritatin'. i think that Penn had the Roots last year which only reminded me of the time that the Pharcyde played a similarly large-spring concert at my alma mater and opened with their song "Jiggaboo Time."

This song features the lyric: "When you're rappin' for the white man/it's jigaboo time/it's jiggaboo time."

At least Sonic Youth and Cat Power vs. Penn keeps it all in the family...the hipsters vs. squares in whiteyville.

(which is not to say that there aren't non-caucasian students at Penn, but their numbers are egregiously small.)

mono.mono (mono.mono), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

hurlo, you guys should try to play at penn next year!

peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 28 March 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/vnews/display.v/ART/425b6bb2ab29a

no, richard-san. i think it's a fascinating sociology capstone project to subject sonic youth to penn undergraduates. i for one am thrilled. throw open the laboratory doors!

i wish they published actual numbers of tickets sold. i'd like to see sonic youth with like 40 other people.

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

NYU is bringing wolf eyes tomorrow night for two bucks!!!
Our program board= SO NOIZE!!!!!!!

rebecca s (rebecca S), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Sonic Youth headlined our annual festival in '98. Rusted Root headlines this year. WTF.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

This years lineup includes Rusted Root as the headliner, the event also includes Future Leaders of the World, Suburban Legends, Head Automatica, and David McMillin!.

The STA Side stage bands include Felix Sarco, Idiosympathy and Kairos; In addition to the top three winners of the Battle of the Bands which include A.I. Inc, Dragon Slayer, and Tokyo Vertigo.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Evidently Dan The Automator might be in Head Automatica. That's kind of cool.

also from the site: And David is not your average songwriter. He sings with the passion of Howie Day one minute, then the calm ease of Jack Johnson another and is lyrically as capable as either of the two.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

David McMillin = John Mayer?

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish! He's lyrically SUPERIOR! What with the wonderlands and the daughters everything.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

downright MANCURIAN! xpost

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

we're getting eightball & mjg and lil scrappy.

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

the Clipse & that one dude from Da Band in may (though that's our radio station not the festival board or whatever - we couldn't get YY Twins after all, thank you very much whisper song)!

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Yikes.. i feel really lucky for UC Irvine.. we had, since I've been there:

* Cocteau Twins/Galaxie 500
* Sonic Youth (not that STP)
* Bauhaus reunion show (the last one before Coachella)
* Melvins
* Rodan/The Grifters
* Royal Trux/Trumans Water/Nothing Painted Blue/Shoe Face
* Unrest/Stereolab/Idaho
* Scrawl
* Poster Children
* Fastbacks
* Tsunami
* Drive Like Jehu/NAPO
* Hazel
* Mike Watt/fIREHOSE (way too many times to mention)
* Bikini Kill/Red Aunts
* Rocket From The Crypt/Red Aunts/Sandy Duncan's Eye
* Foo Fighters/Ween/Jawbreaker

Shows that were cancelled because of potential riots and/or conflicts with finals

* Green Day
* Unwound/Crain

and that's just a part of the top of my head there.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

UC Irvine ROXXX! that's dope, donutmeister.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

well gawd, in the decade I've lived here I've caught Helmet, GBV, Luna, Hum, Sonic Youth, Drive-By Truckers, Bubba Sparxxx, Wilco, Apples In Stereo, Dismemberment Plan, Joan Of Arc, RL Burnside, The Donnas, Jonathan Fire*Eater and a gaggle of others for free on campus. And plenty of complete shit. A lot of complete shit.

miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

ILX's very own Shakey screams "YOU FUCK HER!" at that very Sonic Youth show above, captured on the "Dirty Boots" B-side live tracks.

donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Wesleyan U. Fall Ball 1995: Hatchetface, Ulcer, Monster X, Devoid of Faith, Human Remains, the Pist, Dropdead.
Wesleyan U. Spring Fling 1996: Das FX, T-Roy & the Vibe, Candy Machine, Franklin.

Tony Bleach, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

ILX's very own Shakey screams "YOU FUCK HER!" at that very Sonic Youth show above, captured on the "Dirty Boots" B-side live tracks.

-- donut debonair (do...), April 12th, 2005.

haha I know exactly what you're referring to! on the intro to "The Bedroom"! that's awesome!

Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

NYU is bringing wolf eyes tomorrow night for two bucks!!!
Our program board= SO NOIZE!!!!!!!

Our program board = fucking lazy.

What happened to you guys? Last year we had Liars and Broken Social Scene and this year we had Wolf Eyes and...? [i'm still going]

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

the Clipse & that one dude from Da Band in may (though that's our radio station not the festival board or whatever - we couldn't get YY Twins after all, thank you very much whisper song)!

-- miccio (anthonyisrigh...), April 12th, 2005.

which dude? Ness? Chopper?

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Ness, I think.

miccio (miccio), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link

HANG GLIDE WIT IT

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"wow, man. my school got shit like Maestro Fresh Wes (if you have any idea of who that is, holla)"

*Hollering*

my school too.

Canadian schools just ain't got the cash. i'm shocked at some of what i've seen upthread. the reactions from the Penn State kids is just one more reason to hate the Ivy League. I guess in their defence, the freshmen would have only been 3 years old when SY signed to Geffen, but that's still no excuse!

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 07:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Penn most decidedly /= Penn State!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 07:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Tulane's campus programming is unbelievably lame. Last week hey had Cake play with Gomez. Next month it's Taking Back Sunday. Tulane is like the worst place on Earth, except for the baseball.

adam (adam), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link


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