LAY OFF NATALIE MERCHANT

I've always heard it as a fantastical musing on a newborn baby seen as destined for great things. I'm not generally a fan of Natalie's voice or work, but that song always struck me as really intriguing, and it was the first thing that came to mind when two of my best friends had a baby last summer. Little Lydia is a fortunate child indeed: "with love, with patience, and with faith, she'll make her way."

the thing i always hear about that record is "i'd love it if it wasn't for the dated '80s production." to me the production's the best thing about it! peter asher, i worship you.

Nabisco startlingly OTM re: Blind Man's Zoo vs. In My Tribe

haha he's a terrible guitar player though! there are bum notes on unplugged that even the usual "live album" post-production sleight of hand couldn't sweep under the rug.

See, she WAS singing about herself!

btw 'sopoforic' is sophomoric and soporific put together, I just invented it.

Dude, what's fuckin' minimalist about this? It works in as verse, not as song lyrics.

There's a thing about how if you took Hamlet and Lear and switched protagonists, neither play would be longer than 15 minutes.

Now I am trying to imagine Natalie singing Hips and Makers, or Kristin singing Blind Man's Zoo and... I admit I would kinda like to hear that.

Urgh maybe it's actually more likely to be said of Hamlet and Macbeth, but you get the the idea

Those guitars on "Planned Obsolescence"!

Back of the Moon is such a great song- I recently realized I can only understand the lyrics when I am readin g along with the song - which increased my appreciation. ALso one of the people of which I think "why such good songs for a breif period then not much good for decades? "

What's the saying, you have your whole life to write your first album, but only 6 months to write your second?

I recently realized I can only understand the lyrics when I am reading along with the song

The first time I saw them back in the 80s I thought it might be another language, or at least heavily accented English. Her lyrics, especially early on, are dense and "literary," and then she often condenses or divides syllables in odd ways to make them fit the music. I totally get the early Stipe and Liz Fraser connections.

There was a brief moment (before I became a fan) where I got them confused with the Sugarcubes… I knew one of the bands had an Icelandic singer, and I assumed it was Merchant (due to her enunciation).

Getting that goddawful "wonder" song stuck- and i mean STUCK - in my head because of this revive has been the worst music-related experience i can remember, would you kindly refrain from killing my soul.

"Jealousy" is worse: the least peeved jealousy anthem ever written.

Ooh.
Jealousy.

In favor of NM:
* her commentary in the Women Who Rock doc was enjoyable and it's fun to see her again. She clearly DNGAF
* she has a documented weird sense of humor because in the Lilith Fair oral history she admits to spraying Liz Phair with a squirtgun in the face even though she had just done her makeup

I never want to hear her singing voice again tbh but as a person I support her quietly goofy and puckish demeanor.

I will add that In My Tribe was one of the 10 tapes that I had when I had a 10-cassette container and I don't think I could listen to it today. Being reminded of the period of my life when 10K Maniacs was a full 1/10 of my listening (beyond radio) honestly scares me, do not wish to revisit middle school. Even thinking about "Peace Train" makes my stomach turn.

I revisited Blind Man's Zoo y'day; my sense/recollection was that it would be kind of a drag (due to the heavy-handed lyrics), but the songs are good!! (especially in the first half). Great melodies & performances, as usual. "Hateful Hate" is a definite skip – but other than that, it's not an LP to sleep on... I think its bad rep is somewhat unjustified.

Not only does Nat lay all her cards on the table in "Headstrong" (re: the pointlessness of trying to change her mind about anything), the "rock anthem" guitar sound on that song is pretty remarkable / unique for the band.

It's been sitting on my shelf pretty much neglected since 1987. I'll give it another try, but my interest in them post-Wishing Chair wanes considerably.

"Hateful Hate" is a stupid song, though.

Well I said it's a skip!

(Dan P. – if you limited tolerance for even In My Tribe, I doubt a revisit of these albums will really move the needle for you...)

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that early maniacs vibe is like a stoned altered images. good stuff

make it stop make it stop make it stop 😭

God's own creation

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