quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

that's to say, in some ways freelancers w/ demonstrated skills and clients are in better places than lots of corporate people in nyc xp to myself

I'd have second thoughts about giving a loan to a guy who works in publications too! I don't think publications is that bad of a field either

a married couple I'm friends with who both work in publishing just bought a house last year. They had trouble getting a mortgage, but it was mainly due to location and the fact that one is employed by the other.

xp Oh, it is.

ok, I just cyberstalked those people and now feel all creepy but basically her career looks much more impressive than his. Although they're both self-employed so yeah, it may be a little tough to get a loan.

nyc is like the worst place to buy vs. rent in the whole u.s.: http://info.trulia.com/index.php?s=43&item=113

Remember we're also talking about the size of the *loan* not the cost of the house/apt/condo itself. The couple featured in the article were planning to pay something on the order of 3.5% down/ A quick look reveals that they're going to be paying roughly 4 thou+ a month. Interest rates are already hella low because of, well, everything. And the cap is being reduced to what it was before the govt. was trying to prop up real estate after the bust. Ok, I mean, if this impacts someone, that's too bad. But we're basically talking about the government ceasing to give a benefit to people that can afford 4k/mo for housing. So I mean, I guess this is a dick thing to say, but if that extra cost on the loan is going to put it over the top for you, then maybe you shouldn't be trying to buy a house with 3.5% down, or something?

this is a lot like the AMT though -- for lots of the country it only affects the wealthy, but in some areas it affects a significant number of middle class people that the initial legislation wasn't intended to affect.

David Brooks would like to let you know about the safaris he went on and how elegance just ain't haimish.

then maybe you shouldn't be trying to buy a house with 3.5% down

I haven't read the article but most places in NYC require 10% down and some require 20%, so I don't even know how 3.5 is possible

david brooks can suck a choad

It's an fha loan. Which raises another question...

it took an African safari for David Brooks to admit he has the emotional maturity of a 12 year old

You’ll find multiple generations at a Comfort Inn breakfast area, and people are likely to exchange pleasantries over the waffle machine.

sigggggggggghhhhhhhhhh

omg that Brooks piece

As an antisocial weirdo I have never exchanged pleasantries with anyone over the waffle machine.

Joe Nocera is off today.

I exchanged presents with my mom on Christmas once and gave her a waffle machine and it was a pleasant day

david brooks i been to the comfort inn and there aint no haimish there son

This is a generalized phenomenon, which applies to other aspects of life. Often, as we spend more on something, what we gain in privacy and elegance we lose in spontaneous sociability.

youre like blowing my MIND man!

drink and song and fraternity and waffles is all a man needs

next time in editorials: david brooks tries to befriend a hobo by the underpass, finds the guy's grouchiness an "affirmation of the dignity of the human spirit" then discovers his wallet missing

what a scamp! haha welp back to being not homeless

boudu saved from drowning by david brooks

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4058/boudu.jpg

haha if ever there was someone who deserved someone like Boudu to come into their lives and make a total mockery of it, it's David Brooks.

that's gotta be the tritest take-away from a trip to africa ever

if you look up the "reporting" Brooks claims to have been doing in Africa you'll find a relatively short article about Richard Leakey which contains not a single quote

haha if ever there was someone who deserved someone like Boudu to come into their lives and make a total mockery of it, it's David Brooks.

REMAKE! (again)

that's gotta be the tritest take-away from a trip to africa ever

― shannon goon (symsymsym), Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:06 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

in the grand tradition of the autobiography of malcolm x, david brooks takes a trip to africa...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/01/fashion/recent-college-graduates-wait-for-their-real-careers-to-begin.html

Likewise, Amy Klein, who graduated from Harvard in 2007 with a degree in English literature, couldn’t find a job in publishing. At one point, she had applied for an editorial-assistant job at Gourmet magazine. Less than two weeks later, Condé Nast shut down that 68- year-old magazine. “So much for that job application,” said Ms. Klein, now 26.

One night she bumped into a friend, who asked her to join a punk rock band, Titus Andronicus, as a guitarist. Once, that might have been considered professional suicide. But weighed against a dreary day job, music suddenly held considerable appeal. So last spring, she sublet her room in the Fort Greene section of Brooklyn and toured the country in an old Chevy minivan.

didn't they do this same article in like 1993?

I thought the article was pretty good

i didnt read the whole thing im just sort of loling at the generation gap/assumptions being made there

1993 and 2011 are 'a little bit different'

unemployed recent college grad asked to tour the country with moderately-successful punk band? ONCE, that would have been unheard of! but in this climate, you never know

I was more amused at my reaction of 'okay reading story, another grad, wait why Titus Andronicus oh it's THAT Amy'

yeah i liked that article

i mean any style section piece that features someone who makes $12/hour and can barely afford food doesnt really belong in this thread imo

yeah, FedEx bought out Kinko's, so you can't say you graduated w/honors in English and are now assistant manager at Kinko's.

a freelance gig writing for Elfster.com, a “secret Santa” Web site.

what the shit

and it kinda sucks, but you can use the copiers at work to make copies of your zine and fliers for your friends' bands shows

i knew s4r4h in that article in college! she is nice.

“I have a college education that I feel like I am wasting by being there,” he added. “I am supposed to do something interesting, something with my brain.” For a while, Mr. Shore ran LongevityDrugstore.com, an online drug retailer that he started, but it went nowhere. To stretch his pay check, he made beans and rice at home and drove slowly to save gas. Eventually he quit, got work as a dock hand and is now thinking of becoming a doctor.

wtf @ driving slowly to save gas

yeah lamp otm

usually these articles are like 'Ryan couldn't even land his dream job at Goldman and has been forced to suffer the indignities of working at a small consulting firm'.

this one is basically normal middle class kids

But when his parents started charging him $500 a month for rent

what assholes!

guys I QUOTED the funny two paragraphs for you

i guess it is funny to pay $125,000 dollars for your undergrad expecting to get a job in publishing, in 2007

thanks max, now i know that Elfster exists.