People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

But also, people should be allowed to like their suburban homes and lawns and nature and sunshine without being called "republicans".
--kkvgz

again there's this idea that somewhere I said "everyone who lives in or moves to the burbs today is a white republican." that's pretty obviously false tho it's funny that your arguments against it are like 'Arlington va!' I think a fairly large % people move/live in the suburbs because there simply aren't affordable/viable alternatives. that's not due a law of nature, it's due to political decisions over generations and path dependency and, ultimately, a certain brand of American libertarianism.

also 'people in suburbs just love nature so much they can't live without it' is like 'animal lovers just love animals so much that they can't help eating them.' if you love nature, you care more about your effects on it than your proximity to it. lawns are not nature, they're a form of pseudo nature that has an incredibly destructive effect on the natural world.

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Dude, I was talking about proximity to like state parks and shit.

I am not living in a suburb that is next to shit

Sorry we destroyed the natural world.

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iatee luv ya bro but you really have no idea why people live in suburbs. all of your theories about it serve your pre-conceived notions.

I could see a better argument made for people to stop eating meat and saving the natural world than yards being a feature in a place with 1000/sq. mile population density.

afaict from this thread ppl move to suburbs to

• have dogs
• have lawns
• drive to grocery stores

One day, ppl itt will learn to understand the difference between WE SHOULDNT LIVE IN CITIES BECAUSE DOGS, BRO and IF YOU LIVE IN A SMALL CITY APARTMENT, DON'T HAVE A GREAT BIG DOG BUT IF YOU HAVE LIKE 2,000 SQ FT AND A PARK NEARBY IT'S COOL.

One day.

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anyway I mostly post stuff to this thread for people like max and dayo and laurel to read not to retroll the rest of yall

and really anyone who's defending how the richest nation in human history ended up spending its resources on miles after miles of prefab suburbs and strip malls has already been trolled...by...uh...society

the automobile is the highest expression of personal freedom fuiud

I think it's probably fair to say that people didn't have the first clue about the environmental impacts when this shit got started. I mean, they're there! Whatcha gonna do? Bulldoze them?

Many of the most recent developments that I've seen in my area are suburban clusters of townhomes. So that's a smaller footprint. I think things are going to start trending towards highrises soon enough.

My understanding is that big dogs are less hyper and can make do w/fewer walks. There seems to be plenty in my hood and they seem ok.

the automobile is the highest expression of personal freedom fuiud

So terrestrial! You need a hover pod/submarine/spacecraft, bro.

so what's the consensus on people who live in exurbs?

oh, you mean klan members?

klantastic

it's klanastrophic.

urban klanning

urban klanning

Wait, I just looked it up and I think I was talking about exurbs this whole time.

goddamn iPhone

urban klann- oh dammit

not sure which definition of exurb that is, but nice punning

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What about little seaside coastal villages?

Maybe I'll try living in a census-designated place instead.

What about little seaside coastal villages?

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Usually populated by colorful eccentrics and/or werewolves iirc.

there are some pretty walk/bikable ones and some haven't even been completely fucked by the typical late 20th century streetscape refurbishments. if you can live in one without having to make a trip to walmart every other day, why not?

I have a... likeminded friend who goes vacationing w/ his wife in a coastal jersey city that's very well-designed for walking, narrow streets etc. I forgot what it's called. I don't think there's anything better about living in brooklyn w/ a car than living there without one.

werewolves legitimately need a big lawn and a lot of space to run imo

trying to figure out if my parents' house out in the middle of the woods is destroying the earth based on this thread

I think maybe yes?

a little bit

is there a bank of america branch attached to their house?

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Destroying The Earth

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Not Destroying the Earth

dan im guessing your parents are not off the grid and are not farming using sustainable practices

and are liberal

You know the fertilizer, pesticides, and any other products used on that lawn are running straight into that body of water and probably into their ground water, too.

dan, do your parents shit in the yard? impt q

not to mention their septic system
xp haha

nah they shit in YOUR yard

DAN, ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT YOUR PARENTS SHIT

man, anything that sparse isn't going to cause anyone problems unless there's a hidden farm field right behind the treeline

Pretty sure that's not true, mh. My hometown lake has been shown to be measurably affected by lawn run-off, and there are hardly ANY yards going down to the edge because most of the shore is forest/beach/boat docks. So just a handful are poisoning the ecosystem for the whole lake.

My parents got satellite TV around 1997 so I guess they're fully on the grid now? I don't know if Dad is using sustainable practices on his vines; I assume so? I've never seen him spray anything.

They shit in the yard by septic tank proxy.

x-post It kind of all depends on the density of houses around a lake, how large the actually maintained yard space is, and the water table. Oh, and size of the lake and whether it's a feeder for a stream or whatever. There are a few lakes around this region that are fairly well-populated but fine, and a few that are silted-in messes.

I was raised near a lake that won awards as one of the cleanest in America. I'd drink out of it bare-handed before I gulped down some of that Hudson sauce.

I have watered/fertilized my lawn exactly never