x-post It kind of all depends on the density of houses around a lake, how large the actually maintained yard space is, and the water table. Oh, and size of the lake and whether it's a feeder for a stream or whatever. There are a few lakes around this region that are fairly well-populated but fine, and a few that are silted-in messes.
― mh, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
I was raised near a lake that won awards as one of the cleanest in America. I'd drink out of it bare-handed before I gulped down some of that Hudson sauce.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
I have watered/fertilized my lawn exactly never
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
way to destroy the earth John
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
If I ever put down any more grass seed to fill in the bare spots, I will water it a little. But that might require me to mow more often, which seems really environmentally unsound, so I think I will leave it be.
― mh, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
No fertilizer or pesticides in my yard either.
Did bury my dead cat back there last week.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
Live cat kept getting out, though.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
Is the cat in a box? If not, instant fertilizer
― mh, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
really.
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
Jesus Christ, I spit on my monitor.
― it was as good of a time as any to show a lighter side of 9/11 research (Je55e), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
Our yard is 90% moss with some grass growing in it.
― swagliacci (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 05:22 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah. Sometimes I try to claim that my lawn is "native plants".
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 08:43 (twelve years ago) link
haha i also do this
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
yo I just wanna point out that this is the best post ever on this thread:
werewolves legitimately need a big lawn and a lot of space to run imo
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
thats why that american werewolf in london was so angry iirc
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.wikia.com/familyguy/images/b/b8/Hickory_Farms.jpg
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
iatee a total hero itt as always
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
nah
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
lol yeah forgot that he literally called each person who chooses to live in the suburbs conservative - outrage at that was totally righteous
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
he inspired me to submit to my condo association the names of every old lady who didn't walk to CVS.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
idk considering that overall he really does seem to think that anybody who doesn't live in a metropolis is legitimately either a bad person or a total dumbass, I think he does a pretty good job of only presenting the less misanthropic aspects of his argument here
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
i love driving. from a purely selfish standpoint i wd do it every day if it wasnt obscenely expensive & unnecessary for my lifestyle
anyway iatee otm
― D-40, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
pretty sure he does a better job at defending his position than you do k3v
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link
so yknow there is that
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
i think that everyone here is ethically compromised at some level, imo its fine for iatee to observe that u know some ppl's earth-damaging footprints are larger here than others
the other day i used too much toilet paper & accidentally left some lights on when i left the house.
― D-40, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
haha yes i tend to agree with his general thesis (wrote similar stuff in high school essays) but disdain at suburban people rather than strictly surburbs as civil structure/landscape always seeps out at some pointxps
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
I grew up in SoCal in the 80s before the traffic out there got permanently fucked - learning to negotiate the freeways & driving yourself to shows after you'd turned sixteen was a feeling I can't even describe, like getting on the onramp on a summer night & heading in to the show -- incredibly free feeling, sort of a You Are Young And This Is How It Feels thing
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
There's this one kid at the office who takes the H1N1 threat so seriously that he uses clean kleenex, towel paper, and toilet paper to open doors.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
i disagree i think he pretty obviously said/implied the problem was with society and that the beliefs informing a preference for suburbian life were part of a general trend and not necessarily true of every single person
xp to aero
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think he really transmits 'disdain' although i think its perfectly fine to point out that ppl do make these *choices* and that they are *choices* instead of passing the buck to 'the system, man'
― D-40, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, September 7, 2011 5:43 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
otm!! i used to drive down, then up lake shore drive at night -- one of the most beautiful, amazing, fun drives in the summertime
― D-40, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
i was going to mention lake shore drive. miss it.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
totally
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
there's different degrees of choices, he's simplistic about it
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah for example by living in the suburbs my commute is much shorter than it would be living in the city - this was a prime motivator for both my (now) wife and i when we bought the house
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
I guess it's okay to prefer the city over the suburbs if you've lived in both, but so many great experiences happen even in the most anodyne environments. Isn't this what most of us who listen to and write about music love about our favorite songs? If you let the burden of expectations crush you or submit to the imagined squalor of your environs, then the problem is you, not geography.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
i think i mentioned that upthread somewhere idk i am just killing the last hour or so of work carry on without me xpost
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
When I drive through Jacksonville I always think of early Pere Ubu songs, and there's an unexpected beauty to all that steel and boringness.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
I was going to say something but I remembered that we established way upthread that I don't really live in "the city" since most of the metro area here has the population density of a suburb. I think iatee probably has disdain for most "cities" in the country other than the hyperurban
― mh, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
my overarching argument has been 'it's fine for people to have a personal preference for life in the suburbs, we just shouldn't have government policy (from the local to fed level) designed to promote and subsidize suburban growth'.
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
that doesnt sound like what he's said at all imo but we can let him answer that i guess xp
― D-40, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I feel like we can't define population density or the term suburb to a degree of accuracy that would allow this discussion to make any sense.
― the wheelie king (wk), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
idk iatee i have never gotten the impression that you are arguing from the position that those personal preferences are fine - ie distilling them to anti-social avoidance of other humans
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, September 7, 2011 6:37 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark
for someone who harps about how people should acknowledge the privilege that enables their place and status in life, you seem pretty blind to the fact that living in a suburb or rural area w/ a car is a pretty big fucking privilege
― dayo, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
also iirc you think of things like road upkeep and highway projects as suburb subsidies and its a little more complicated than that
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
road and highway projects don't come close to paying for themselves these days
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
i don't have a preference for suburb livin so much as a dislike of city livin. that's true for most people (my age) I know who live in the 'burbs.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.infrastructurist.com/2011/01/07/new-report-roads-dont-pay-for-themselves/
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
and?
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
like can we skip the part where we list off all the other things that dont visibly pay for themselves please
― let me save you some time - yes, you are probably anti-semantic (jjjusten), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link