People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

Oh yeah, so what kids do in cities: kick a soccer ball in the street

Are you sure that soccer ball wasn't actually a broken chunk of eroding sidewalk?

remember how hard ppl freaked out when jsk pedestrianized part of times square
--max

yeah this - which has of course been a huge success - is a pretty good example. this is one of the most pedestrianized areas in the western world, and making even modest strides in the right direction is incredibly hard. it's absurd, but ultimately due to our political system. still it's pretty amazing how much stuff she's been able to accomplish.

I think it was a vagrant's decapitated head

speaking of jsk iatee did you see this profile of her from a couple days ago

http://www.observer.com/2011/09/road-warrior-janette-sadik-khan-is-the-best-mechanic-the-city-streets-have-had-in-a-generation%E2%80%94so-why-do-motorists-dislike-her-so-much/?show=all

wayyy better than that hit job the times did in the spring

Oh yeah, so what kids do in cities: kick a soccer ball in the street

― mh, Thursday, September 8, 2011 11:22 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

there are parks

you can walk to them

and there are alleys! one of our afterschool activities was throwing a football in the alley close to our bus stop, and then having a lookout who would spot the bus, and then gunning it to the stop when the bus was spotted. fun!

I was specifically speaking about my street and sometimes kids don't walk to the park!

no I didn't, gonna read it now xp to max

some pleasant driving advocates in the comments too

"Quoting a Transportation Alternatives spokesperson on what's good for drivers is the journalistic equivalent of quoting a Nazi on what's good for Jews."

fair comparison

good article. lol at the AAA dude and Marty.

key:
"This does not mean people are getting to their destinations more slowly, as many might think. Studies have shown that reducing speeds from 40 MPH in urban settings to only 20 MPH has little impact on travel times; it simply means less time waiting at stop lights. New York may be at the end of hurry-up-and-wait driving. For pedestrians, though, the difference is huge. At 40 MPH, 70 percent of accidents are fatal. At 30 MPH—the legal speed limit in New York—only 20 percent of accidents are fatal."

zooming down city streets with traffic lights is just dumb but it's pretty much a given that most ppl don't actually know how to drive

is there a thread where we complain about how everybody else except you is a terrible driver

every driving thread ever

oh that's a good spin on an old dn

yeah its the new improved version

"Quoting a Transportation Alternatives spokesperson on what's good for drivers is the journalistic equivalent of quoting a Nazi on what's good for Jews."

lool

although i do h8 anyone that drives in an urban area

Oh, me too. Especially the ones who honks at you in a crosswalk when you're crossing at your leisure and they're trying to squeeze in a right turn on red. I straight up middle-finger those assholes.

do you only use your middle finger, and which one so I know which hand not to shake

right turns on red shouldn't be legal in urban areas to begin with

oh man now you lost me

I disagree with that, but I think that they are a special circumstance. I get a minor thrill every time I do one.

Red light cameras are a menace.

haha holy shit, literally the only return for this phrase is from where i live

http://transportation.spps.org/no_right_turn_on_red_when_school_patrol_is_present.html

a truly devilish variation

driving shouldnt be legal in urban areas to begin with

i mean hasnt anyone else even played simcity???

http://www.zuguide.com/image/Woody-Allen-Annie-Hall.8.jpg

"Max, I don't wanna live in a city where the only cultural advantage is turning right at a red light."

Right turn on red is great as long as you remember it's optional and pay attention to signs that say NO RIGHT TURN ON RED

When the city redid the freeway bridges, they ended up killing the visibility so all the exit ramps have those signs now. Some people still turn, and it sucks. Also, the jerks who honk at me for not making a right turn on red are awful. It's a goddamn option, I can wait for the green, maybe I have a reason to do so that you can't see!

Also, the jerks who honk at me for not making a right turn on red are awful. It's a goddamn option, I can wait for the green

YOU ARE HUMAN TRASH

lollll

there are so many weird inflections to the right-on-red, all based on people staring at other people through windshields and some imaginary stopwatch ticking away in your brain.

I turn left at red lights on occasion, from one one-way street to another. I always feel like such a rebel.

me driving lately:

http://www.tatteredcoat.com/images/heat-pacino-buggy.jpg

i would be happy if i never had to drive again in my life. maybe with the exception of a triumph in southeastern oregon.

I maybe do disagree on the bigger issues w/ gd and aero.

I agree with ~95% of what you say fwiw

i agree that right-on-red should be illegal anywhere there is a regular presence of pedestrians. if you wait for a green in a 'suburban' area with no pedestrians in sight you are a savage though

if there's a dense flow of pedestrians crossing the street, turning on red is often the only chance you get.

Yeah, and it's still illegal to turn right in Cal if there's someone in the crosswalk...

driving tip: if you cant turn right without killing a pedestrian, you should not turn right

depends on who the pedestrian is, imo

in pdx you can turn left on red when it's one-way to one-way

Yeah, and it's still illegal to turn right in Cal if there's someone in the crosswalk...
--I like wasting my emotions on the interwebs (Michael White)

never seen anyone get a ticket for this

I've even heard that you can sometimes go straight on a red in pdx. Have no idea how that works.

pretty sure it involves weed and gullibility

you can turn left from one-way to one-way in iowa

never seen anyone get a ticket for this

Me either but I have seen someone pulled over for failing to yield to ppl crossing in a crosswalk - kind of a tourist town kind of thing.

I've never seen anyone get a ticket either, but damned if I haven't slammed my fist down on a few trunks.

Yeah, and it's still illegal to turn right in Cal if there's someone in the crosswalk...

of course. but you stop at a red light, light turns green for the cross traffic and cars & pedestrians start to go. hopefully at some point the pedestrians have finished crossing the street and there's a gap in the flow of the cars, and you can turn while your light is still red. if you have to wait until your light turns green, then you're back at the start of another cycle where the crosswalk is full again. So allowing turns on red gives twice as many potential windows to turn in, and it doesn't have any effect on pedestrians since another batch of pedestrians will be crossing when your light is green anyway.