People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

i recommend that the city of pasadena take down "denver lights" as part of a larger program of ceasing to exist entirely

what happens after cease to exist?

it goes to heaven

finally the little old lady can be reunited with her hometown after being struck dead by the little deuce coupe.

R.I.P.

the hamburger lady?

This sort of makes me think of 'shared space' initiatives in Europe, now being used in a few places in the UK, where sections of roads in heavily pedestrianised areas (road sizes are about 3-4 squished lanes across) are stripped of signs, lights, barriers, and so on. The idea is that drivers and pedestrians are forced to 'communicate' with one another much more, be more aware of one another's presence and intentions.

Accidents involving vehicles have reportedly dropped in these areas. I like the idea of implementing this in similar areas in N America, where there are a lot of pedestrians and the road isn't a main thoroughfare, but somehow I can't imagine drivers being confident enough to navigate without signs and lights (here I think of the few people I know who will reroute an entire journey just to avoid driving through a traffic circle) or cities being willing to not consider jaywalking an infraction.

The idea is that drivers and pedestrians are forced to 'communicate' with one another much more, be more aware of one another's presence and intentions.

On paper, I'm pretty much dismissing any "communication" between drivers and pedestrians.

lol that idea is lmao

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shared_space

I communicate w/pedestrians all the time; with my bumpers!

Right turn on red is great as long as you remember it's optional and pay attention to signs that say NO RIGHT TURN ON RED

When the city redid the freeway bridges, they ended up killing the visibility so all the exit ramps have those signs now. Some people still turn, and it sucks. Also, the jerks who honk at me for not making a right turn on red are awful. It's a goddamn option, I can wait for the green, maybe I have a reason to do so that you can't see!

― mh, Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Also, the jerks who honk at me for not making a right turn on red are awful. It's a goddamn option, I can wait for the green

YOU ARE HUMAN TRASH

― goole, Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

goole otm

The idea is that drivers and pedestrians are forced to 'communicate' with one another much more, be more aware of one another's presence and intentions.

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgxf8auSQk1qzsuffo1_500.jpg

Basically anybody who honks is human trash. "Oh, you're frustrated? Gee, you're the only one. Oh, you're late? Did I cause you to understimate the time you need to get there?"

otm

in a lot of countries honking is used as a signaling device between cars "hey I'm here don't run into me"

I'll tap my horn if someone is at a green light and is distracted and I'll honk at someone cutting me off, but that's basically it. I think urban honkers should be fined up the yazoo.

I flick off people who honk too. I'm a bitter motherfucker when I'm walking in the city.

How muscular is that middle finger, kkvgz?

i honked at a woman yesterday who thought that taking a left into oncoming traffic (me) was a good idea.

fucking minivans.

I don't get why people get all angry at honking. It's a useful tool! I have no ill will and don't honk in anger, it's just a prompt to let someone know there's something they need to pay attention to.

honking is awesome fuiud

hiud

mh, if honking is a form of constructive communication, fine. I think we're talking about ppl whose honking is essentially pointless whining. "Thanks for the noise pollution but if I turn right now I'm taking out a mother and her child in a stroller, asshole."

Oh yeah, those people are the scum of the earth and who I was complaining about when I said that maybe I wasn't turning FOR A REASON

the midnight cowboy gif is funny because tbh most of manhattan more or less functions as 'shared space' already - jaywalking is fine, cars don't obey traffic laws. but if anything it demonstrates *why* it wouldn't work in america - people and cyclists get killed on a regular basis.

that's under a system w/ clear speed limits, traffic laws, etc. take that legal structure away and you're just giving people a better reason to drive recklessly.

I mean the concept makes sense in a place w/ strict speed limits, generally more pedestrians than cars and (esp:) very narrow roads. we don't have a ton of places that currently fit that description. we should be designing them for future use, but it's hard to imagine 'shared space' being very useful somewhere like chicago. it would work in like...south of the grid manhattan, if you destroyed the rest of manhattan.

when I was in peru I rode in a car and we took a road up the mountain, with no guardrails. every time we took a turn the driver would honk, just in case there was a car coming the other way.

in china, people generally drive as if they are the only car on the road, even if they are surrounded by cars and the inside of their car is filled with cars and their are cars on top of their car and they are not actually in a car but are actually a pedestrian. you need to honk at them to let them know that they are about to turn into you or back into you. this is what happens when you have a country that all of a sudden has millions of new car owners who have never driven a car before, and millions of people who are not used to navigating a city suddenly filled with cars.

I usually toot my horn three times whenever I run a red light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IhOsPNGrdE

people and cyclists get killed on a regular basis.

haha I could have phrased this better

savages

haha yeah, driving in Bolivia was insane---well, I was just a car rider, but cars drove whichever direction on the road they wanted, on the left, right, whatever, weaving between each other, no lanes. shared space!

basically I only honk if I am about to inadvertently kill you

or if you're making me miss a light for no reason

btw honking is an essential part of driving & fun to boot. If God didn't want us to honk, he wouldn't have put horns on cars.

Developping world driving can be very bracing.

people who honk at me deserve to die instantly, hopefully by having rusty forks scrape the skin off of their faces and then having the exposed flesh pressed slowly into lava

basically I only honk if I am about to inadvertently kill you

or if you're making me miss a light for no reason

Mutually exclusive?

i honk all day, honk all night

djp do you honk when you are advertently about to kill someone

I don't believe you about the 'instantly' part, Dan.

dayo, now I'm imaging him breaking into someones home, blowing an air horn at them and then hacking them to death with an axe.

it's his 'calling card'

obv "instantly" means "the instant the hand leaves the horn, forks fly at they face"

"I was never able to watch the end of a hockey period after my husband was murdered."

also those are mutually exclusive because there is nothing inadvertent about the murderous rage that builds when someone sits at a left turn light texting on their phone, then guns it when the arrow turns yellow

the only saving grace is that ppl ignore lights in Boston anyway so you have like an extra 3 seconds to turn after the red arrow comes up because everyone expects you to cut them off

DJP, just in case there is any misunderstanding or even potential for misunderstanding, I want to make very clear that I am in no way accusing you of being a juggalo or even having juggalistic tendencies.

It's kind of cool that for whatever reasons, different cities have really different driving cultures.

I love the Pittsburgh left; it restores my faith in collective action.

What is it, Euler?

I find it reassuring that there are so many left turn lights in SF.

pitssburgh left didnt work out so well for ben roethlisburger