I communicate w/pedestrians all the time; with my bumpers!
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
Right turn on red is great as long as you remember it's optional and pay attention to signs that say NO RIGHT TURN ON RED
When the city redid the freeway bridges, they ended up killing the visibility so all the exit ramps have those signs now. Some people still turn, and it sucks. Also, the jerks who honk at me for not making a right turn on red are awful. It's a goddamn option, I can wait for the green, maybe I have a reason to do so that you can't see!
― mh, Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Also, the jerks who honk at me for not making a right turn on red are awful. It's a goddamn option, I can wait for the green
YOU ARE HUMAN TRASH
― goole, Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
goole otm
― Battlestar Gracián (crüt), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link
The idea is that drivers and pedestrians are forced to 'communicate' with one another much more, be more aware of one another's presence and intentions.
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgxf8auSQk1qzsuffo1_500.jpg
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
Basically anybody who honks is human trash. "Oh, you're frustrated? Gee, you're the only one. Oh, you're late? Did I cause you to understimate the time you need to get there?"
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
otm
― iatee, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
in a lot of countries honking is used as a signaling device between cars "hey I'm here don't run into me"
― dayo, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
I'll tap my horn if someone is at a green light and is distracted and I'll honk at someone cutting me off, but that's basically it. I think urban honkers should be fined up the yazoo.
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
I flick off people who honk too. I'm a bitter motherfucker when I'm walking in the city.
― kkvgz, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
How muscular is that middle finger, kkvgz?
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
i honked at a woman yesterday who thought that taking a left into oncoming traffic (me) was a good idea.
fucking minivans.
― goole, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
I don't get why people get all angry at honking. It's a useful tool! I have no ill will and don't honk in anger, it's just a prompt to let someone know there's something they need to pay attention to.
― mh, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:30 (twelve years ago) link
honking is awesome fuiud
― D-40, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
hiud
― dayo, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
mh, if honking is a form of constructive communication, fine. I think we're talking about ppl whose honking is essentially pointless whining. "Thanks for the noise pollution but if I turn right now I'm taking out a mother and her child in a stroller, asshole."
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah, those people are the scum of the earth and who I was complaining about when I said that maybe I wasn't turning FOR A REASON
― mh, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
the midnight cowboy gif is funny because tbh most of manhattan more or less functions as 'shared space' already - jaywalking is fine, cars don't obey traffic laws. but if anything it demonstrates *why* it wouldn't work in america - people and cyclists get killed on a regular basis.
that's under a system w/ clear speed limits, traffic laws, etc. take that legal structure away and you're just giving people a better reason to drive recklessly.
I mean the concept makes sense in a place w/ strict speed limits, generally more pedestrians than cars and (esp:) very narrow roads. we don't have a ton of places that currently fit that description. we should be designing them for future use, but it's hard to imagine 'shared space' being very useful somewhere like chicago. it would work in like...south of the grid manhattan, if you destroyed the rest of manhattan.
― iatee, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
when I was in peru I rode in a car and we took a road up the mountain, with no guardrails. every time we took a turn the driver would honk, just in case there was a car coming the other way.
in china, people generally drive as if they are the only car on the road, even if they are surrounded by cars and the inside of their car is filled with cars and their are cars on top of their car and they are not actually in a car but are actually a pedestrian. you need to honk at them to let them know that they are about to turn into you or back into you. this is what happens when you have a country that all of a sudden has millions of new car owners who have never driven a car before, and millions of people who are not used to navigating a city suddenly filled with cars.
― dayo, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
I usually toot my horn three times whenever I run a red light.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IhOsPNGrdE
― goole, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
people and cyclists get killed on a regular basis.
haha I could have phrased this better
― iatee, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
savages
― mh, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:43 (twelve years ago) link
haha yeah, driving in Bolivia was insane---well, I was just a car rider, but cars drove whichever direction on the road they wanted, on the left, right, whatever, weaving between each other, no lanes. shared space!
― Euler, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
basically I only honk if I am about to inadvertently kill you
or if you're making me miss a light for no reason
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
btw honking is an essential part of driving & fun to boot. If God didn't want us to honk, he wouldn't have put horns on cars.
― Euler, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
Developping world driving can be very bracing.
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
people who honk at me deserve to die instantly, hopefully by having rusty forks scrape the skin off of their faces and then having the exposed flesh pressed slowly into lava
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
Mutually exclusive?
i honk all day, honk all night
― brownie, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
djp do you honk when you are advertently about to kill someone
― dayo, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
I don't believe you about the 'instantly' part, Dan.
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
dayo, now I'm imaging him breaking into someones home, blowing an air horn at them and then hacking them to death with an axe.
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
it's his 'calling card'
― dayo, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
obv "instantly" means "the instant the hand leaves the horn, forks fly at they face"
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
"I was never able to watch the end of a hockey period after my husband was murdered."
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
also those are mutually exclusive because there is nothing inadvertent about the murderous rage that builds when someone sits at a left turn light texting on their phone, then guns it when the arrow turns yellow
the only saving grace is that ppl ignore lights in Boston anyway so you have like an extra 3 seconds to turn after the red arrow comes up because everyone expects you to cut them off
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
DJP, just in case there is any misunderstanding or even potential for misunderstanding, I want to make very clear that I am in no way accusing you of being a juggalo or even having juggalistic tendencies.
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
It's kind of cool that for whatever reasons, different cities have really different driving cultures.
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
I love the Pittsburgh left; it restores my faith in collective action.
― Euler, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
What is it, Euler?
I find it reassuring that there are so many left turn lights in SF.
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
pitssburgh left didnt work out so well for ben roethlisburger
― max, Friday, 9 September 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
Pittsburgh left: at a stoplight drivers wait a few secs for the first car in the oncoming lane to make a left. It's not a law, just a habit on the part of locals. the first time I drove there, I got honked at for not knowing the local convention & blasting forward when the light turned. Soon I figured out the deal.
― Euler, Friday, 9 September 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
I mean: wait a few secs after the light turns green, obv
― Euler, Friday, 9 September 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link
see, stuff like that just makes me wish driving rules were uniform across the country, because then you could drive to another city and not wonder if it was illegal to make a right turn on red
― Tal Berkowitz - Vaccine advocate (DJP), Friday, 9 September 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
The city buses here pull those Pittsburgh Lefts with each other, since it's pretty freaking hard for a city bus to get a good shot at turning left at a downtown intersection.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 9 September 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
Especially with the pedestrians doing the Lindy Hop and the Charleston across the avenue in a re-enactment of old Barnes Dances of Yore.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 9 September 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
SHARED SPACE!
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2009/3/26/1238088115201/Fame--Street-Dance-Scene-001.jpg
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 9 September 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
rofl
― goole, Friday, 9 September 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
So it's kind of the opposite from the LA left which consists of pulling out into the first third of the interesection and waiting for the light to turn red.
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 16:07 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't that normal driving practice?
― Euler, Friday, 9 September 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link
Liike I said above, I love how many left-turn lanes and lights there are in SF. Drivers are still disgusting savages of course, but making a left turn is relatively stress-free.
― em vee equals pea queue (Michael White), Friday, 9 September 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link