People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

You guys can never be happy.

think you mean wall-e xp

not surprising though that an ilxor would want to go through an entire day without meeting anybody else

ilx sees 'ilxing for all' as a better future than 'college for all#

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but outside of freeway driving, I can't imagine they're anywhere close to having a car that could drive in some chaotic urban situation. I would imagine the biggest problem would be judging whether the obstacles in front of it were temporary or permanent - if someone's in the street but clearly moving out of the street, you'd be able to tell, but a car wouldn't. even if it can judge based on the object's direction and speed, that doesn't seem entirely safe.

also a lot of the magic coordination things can happen when *every* car is computer-driven. but that might not even be the case 30 years after the technology is on the market. limited $$$, resources, etc.

i wonder if there aren't some half-way measures, though; there's a 'self-drive lane', say, or maybe your daily journey is your short drive to the autozone, piloting autonomously from your house to the turn-off, before you slip into the robo-drive mode & take out your newspaper for the next fifteen minutes.

we could just get like good trains though.

I'm reading up on it and apparently they've been in LA and SF, so who knows, maybe they've figured out chaotic places. something will go wrong one day though.

― iatee, Monday, 12 September 2011 22:59 (Yesterday) Bookmark

this isn't an attempt to correct this, because it's so obviously still a flawed point, but you can imagine that you might be able to get a better safety level than we have right now, considering our pretty bad self-driving stats. what would probably be problematic is that we'll take copious errors that we at least get to make, over the dystopia of limited but computer-made errors that we'd have to sit and idly watch occur (which is totally horrifying to contemplate tbh).

iatee did mean 'Up,' he's just really against flying houses as a form of transport

otm

this would just be another step toward us turning into 'up'-style obese people

no. that's more about what we eat and how much we eat of it. that's the same thing that bugged me about the walkscore site. I feel like the legitimate environmental argument against cars is somewhat undermined when people try to add on all of these unconvincing extra points like exercise.

not surprising though that an ilxor would want to go through an entire day without meeting anybody else

I'm glad I don't live in your guys world where the office is the only way to meet people and walking to work is your only possible chance for exercise.

you really think that car culture has zero correlation w/ poor health? none at all? I'm on my phone so I can't pull any stats, I will later.

of course you can get exercise in the suburbs. but people who live in walkable places get lots of exercise without having to make a conscious decision about it.

and the environmental argument has nothing to do w/ this - can't be 'undermined' by a completely different issue

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/walking/HQ01612

All it takes to reap these benefits is a routine of brisk walking. It doesn't get much simpler than that. And you can forget the "no pain, no gain" talk. Research shows that regular, brisk walking can reduce the risk of heart attack by the same amount as more vigorous exercise, such as jogging.

there are a bunch of demographic studies showing a correlation between obesity rates and rates of people who walk/bike/use public transpo

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Living in a walkable city is pretty much its own health reward, outside of the possibility of frostbite

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feel like when you have a society that builds in exercise into its basic conception of how people should live, that's a good thing imo

all bags of chips should have a 6lb lead weight at the bottom

"lead weight may settle during shipment"

iatee otm re: arguments too. there are a lot of arguments to get rid of cars: environmental; health; cultural; political, etc. i prefer the cultural argument b/c people get really mad about it, but no one argument "undermines" another

there are a bunch of demographic studies showing a correlation between obesity rates and rates of people who walk/bike/use public transpo

I'd like to see specific studies as opposed to generic write ups from the mayoclinc. Just because something was determined in a study doesn't mean it was a well designed study that will provide actual evidence.

Jeff there are 12 citations for this part of the wikipedia article, maybe you could go through them and tell us what you think?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking#Health_benefits_of_walking

yeah i was just kidding, theres no correlation, places where people spend 2 hours a day sitting down in their cars tend to actually be much skinnier than places where people get at least 30 minutes of walking in every day

there are a bunch of studies about how driving is actually the healthiest activity there is

physically, mentally... spiritually

or jeff, if you go down to the bottom of that Mayo Clinic summary page you can click the 'references' button and pull up 9 citations, some of which are probably available on pubmed?

you don't need a study tbh it's true by mathematical proof:

1. walking is good for your health
2. people in dense cities walk more

xp haha max beat me

I'll have a look later.

Or maybe I'm just bitter because I live car free in a dense city with public transportation yet I still can't get fit. I even run 30 miles a week.

Didn't you just do a marathon?

ps I had a phone interview today for a job in...the suburbs (Nassau county) hopefully god will give me this job just to fuck w/ me. (I can still take a train + walk to the office because this is greater NYC.

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I don't think you can expect to be skinny just cause you walk a lot. but you can definitely expect not to be if you get no exercise, and it's far easier to get stuck in that lifestyle in a car-centric area.

Didn't you just do a marathon?

Yes, in May. But that was in Wisconsin so the amount of cheese consumed during that 2 day trip totally offset any amount of running I did.

everyone in nyc is skinny

when i was a tourist in nyc, i knew not to ask directions from overweight people, they were clearly not from there and would know nothing

they would probably give you CAR directions

yeah if you want to see fat people in NYC look for a non-taxi driver in queens or the bronx

(non-taxi) driver, rather

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http://ronaldrenwick.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/fat-guy-on-scooter.jpg

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had no idea spending two hours in a car was the real culprit; thought maybe it was the 8 hours ppl spend sitting at a desk, my eyes have been opened!

PP are those people in hardcore bands? i've heard you can be big, in an nyc hardcore band

I think if you commuted in a car to a job where you walked all day you'd be fine!

http://last10pounds.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/nyt-treadmill-desk.gif

is it really difficult to believe that 2 hours in a car + 8 hrs at a desk would be worse than 0 hours in a car + some physical exercise + 8 hrs at a desk? and that that does not in any way suggest that 8 hrs at a desk is good for you?

it is literally those two hours in a car--people from nyc are really skinny because they dont take two hours in a car--this is like a known fact

feel like cities aren't the only dense thing itt

^^ Needs one of these:

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xp

is it really difficult to believe that 2 hours in a car + 8 hrs at a desk would be worse than 0 hours in a car + some physical exercise + 8 hrs at a desk? and that that does not in any way suggest that 8 hrs at a desk is good for you?

― iatee, Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:58 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol it's not difficult to believe at all i just thought this was worth noting

desk jobs are shit for peoples' health, as is junk food, smoking, whatever - they have no inherent correlation w/ walkable urbanism.