The Independent C/D

not gonna lie, when i first saw that url the thought crossed my mind that it might be...miliband slash

To be fair (if one must), there's a difference between underage and pre-pubescent, and to my mind "paedo" equals the latter, not the former. And besides, he waits until his brother's 16 birthday before the fucking and pimping takes place. It's a deeply moral work!

If the protagonist is over the age of consent, then in what respect is the story "paedo"?

I retract then Mike: I didn't read very far before realising it was unlikely to make my Friday morning appreciably better. So it's just incest prostitution porn, is it?

Better than that: it's BLACKFACE incest prostitution porn.

Does he credit his sources?

Weirdly, he wrote a Guardian piece in 2002 about incest which kicks off with a conveniently juicy friend-of-a-friend anecdote.

I think the letter's basically okay, but then I am biased (see above). I wish he'd written this letter first, though, rather than those two awful non-apology apologies.

The Wikipedia stuff is just weird.

http://theorwellprize.co.uk/news/the-orwell-prize-and-johann-hari/

On the afternoon of 14 September, a courier returned the plaque which had been awarded to Johann Hari on winning the Orwell Prize for Journalism 2008. There was no note of explanation. The prize money (£2000) has also not been returned. The director of the Prize telephoned the editor of The Independent who confirmed that Hari had returned the Prize, which was also confirmed later by Hari’s ‘A personal apology’, published online by The Independent.

damnnnn

that fuckin' guy

tho tbh i think most people in his position would find it hard to scrounge up £2000 to repay the prize money

pleased that they didn't let hari get away with claiming that there was nothing wrong with his orwell prize pieces, when (as exclusively revealed upthread) he lifted one of them from a piece in der spiegel while adding a few fabrications.

The Council concluded that the article contained inaccuracies and conflated different parts of someone else’s story (specifically, a report in Der Spiegel). The Council ruled that the substantial use of unattributed and unacknowledged material did not meet the standards expected of Orwell Prize-winning journalism.

He's a highly paid columnist - I'm sure he's got £2000 in the bank. Orwell Prize people clearly furious at his attempt to beat them to the punch.

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Oct/Week2/16086562.jpg

Not entirely sure about this.

yeah, it's a bit much, isn't it?

strange that they haven't made the same change to the website's masthead.

http://twitter.com/#!/PeterBradshaw1/status/123692022015078400

i actually think it's visually okay, in a daily planet kinda way, though it should be paired with the picture rather than the contents boxes - i guess 'above the fold' is still a thing w/paper copies, idk

I agree, the masthead with contents boxes are 'weighing' a bit too heavy on the rest I think

Strangely, I noticed the new masthead in the shops but totally missed the news story (which would have interested me).

http://www.illustrationartgallery.com/acatalog/BishopEagleComic.jpg

whoa, that was big. soz.

THE INDEPENDENT (and Boys' World)

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/11/independent-owner-considering-closing-national-print-titles?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia

Shifting i to a different publisher would appear to be the death knell.

Dead.

Announcing a move to a "digital-only future", ESI Media said there would be "some redundancies among editorial employees".

But it said there would also be 25 new "digital-content roles".

#theFutureIsNow

Journalists losing their jobs is (usually) sad but has anyone actually bought a copy in years? Last time I looked it was flimsy as hell (also while playing up to the Graun-overspill crowd, it also backed the coalition at the last election).

It was a great-looking paper around 2000 or so, it gave a prominence to great photojournalism that no one else did, its front pages always looked amazing, before it went tabloid and effectively started putting the editorial on the cover.

AFAIK it hasn't made a profit in its entire history and eventually the largesse was going to run out, and it was always going to be the first to go in the oncoming print apocalypse.

Whenever I looked at it the i (as in the actual paper copy) I found it far, far better than The Guardian (I know its not quite the same but they shared a lot of the same staff)

Lol seriously?

Yes. The i has, whenever I've looked at it, had quite a few reports that were off the agenda. Clearly recall actually learning something new on most days. The arts coverage didn't have usual faff from the idiots who usually write for The Guardian who seldom know what they are on about, felt a lot better. Probably because they didn't have as much money to waste.

Its been a while - in no hurry to check on this or massively defend this point (The Financial Times arts coverage is better than either). Not a massive gap between Indepedent and The Guardian - both are Lib Dem supporting and stale concerns. No energy whatsoever. The latter is usually way more smug and annoying - as the ILX thread has gone on about it for 10+ years.

I mis-read that as like an ILX thread that has gone on for 10+ years

as the ILX thread has gone on about it for 10+ years

Because no one here read the Independent or cared enough to zing it, bar the occasional pop at Johann Hari or Simon Price. The news section was mostly abstracted and rewritten newswire content, although they did have some good long pieces. They fired most of their paid critics a couple of years ago.

In any case the i itself will continue to be published, and the Independent has had a separate editorial team for the website for some time.

There's a crunch or contraction coming in "online content" as well - most of it is crap and there isn't enough digital ad spend to justify it all existing. If it is, it's being spread too thinly.

Obviously the Guardian publishes vast amounts of smug shit and ropey cultural stuff, but it's impossible to imagine the Independent publishing something like the Snowden revelations, or pursuing the News Corp phone hacking story for as long as they did.

Part of the difference was money and resources, sure, but there was a lack of appetite at the Indy to really stand up on things like this, especially over the last few years.

has anyone actually bought a copy in years?

Without any knowledge that the Independent was under any particular threat, I bought a copy yesterday, funnily enough, probably for the first time in 15 years; I was off for lunch in a cafe and wanted a paper to read, and having already read The Guardian site that morning, it seemed like a fair idea to give the Independent a go. It didn't seem appreciably better or worse than the Guardian, though I am by no means a newspaper connoisseur.

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/721701176606134272

"Astonishing ignorance & condescension about McDonald's. Where do these people eat? Pret? Until recently owned by McDonald's?"

noted socialist hangout pret

http://i.imgur.com/hNiVAbp.jpg

so astonished rn

https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/15495480046

looool

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=list%3ATweetminster%2FUKMPs%20mcdonalds&src=typd&lang=en-gb

MPs queuing up to say how much they loved their time working at McDonalds.

"trendy" "falafel" "bar"

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%22Corbyn%20Value%20Meal%22&src=typd&lang=en-gb

Going by the gaunt, grey figure in his Twitter profile pic, Rentoul isn't exactly a good advert for the McDonalds diet

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=corbyn%20we%20want%20plates&src=typd

is there remotely such a thing as a 'trendy' 'falafel' 'bar' or does wes streeting just think that kebab shops are a bit too upmarket for britain's proles

They are exotic and foreign, and also vegetarian, because only a jessie doesn't want colon cancer

I wished all them Blairite arseholes lived on a diet of McDonalds, processed meat and sugary drinks, at least then you could realistically start nominating your faves for the death list while they are still relatively young.

next thing you know these snobs will be turning down donations from popular multinationals or popular billionaires, the trendy out-of-touch loons

millions of people in this country love ciggies, you trendy snob bastards

I actually have more respect for the old Tory John Gummer, like when he did a publicity pic eating a beefburger with his daughter during the BSE crisis in the early 90's. Well at least he wasn't repping for McDDonalds ffs. At the time it was considered quite a crass bit of politicking. lol he has nothing on these shameless fucks in the Labour party.