People Who Live In Suburbs: Classy, Icky, or Dudes?

there's not a thoroughfare that could be built up within reasonable walking distance of those houses - there's just the freeway and the parallel road which serves the golf course, show grounds and car dealerships. there are some major commercial areas close by both north and west of those streets - by car you can get there in minutes. but by foot it would take an hour, due to the cul-de-sac street design. (also this neighborhood is pretty hilly.)

but building up adjacent throughfares alone is not gonna do it (- is what the 'no' is responding to.) you'd also need to allow neighborhoods like that to become mixed use. (and in this case it'd be pointless, but I was looking for a particularly bad location in this city)

btw $13/gallon gas would be disastrous more for the STORE PRICES, not for your car-driving.

It'd be most immediately seen when people fueled up at the pump, but when you start paying a lot more for food it'd be a bit more of a deal.

Personal transportation using a disproportionate amount of fuel compared to mass transport or product transport is kind of the deal

I'm not advocating 13/g gas tomorrow. but in the long-term prices at stores will have to go up and that's not a bad thing.

prices at stores will have to go up and that's not a bad thing.

Wait, what? I'm not disagreeing with you wrt gas prices, but how it the price of a loaf of bread going up "not a bad thing"?

I live in a hutch on the back deck. It's NICE.

iatee's shtick is that the economic and geographic expansion has been a false effect of wholesale overuse of limited resources and unsustainable social and economic behaviors. The price of real goods rising isn't in itself good, but it's a sign that the necessary contraction is going on, imo.

Okay, I guess I see how that fits into iatee's view now.

I agree with some of these conceits, but then I also wonder why we're not going crazy on development and figuring out floating ozone factories, turning the moon into a remote solar facility, mining the shit out of other planets and asteroids, and going full-on nuclear everywhere.

The future's not for the weak, right?

If our new materials and methods give us cancer then we just need to engineer viruses to kill cancer and super-viruses to kill those viruses, imo.

like I said the government gave me money to build an airship and you are all welcome once we have turned our fertile plains into barren deserts

t/s max's urban new hampshire vs dayo's airship paradise

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/design/2011/09/street-grids/124/

more on grid vs cul-de-sac

They forgot to mention that even with GPS, it is irritating as hell to find an address with fucked up streets.

theres some thread somewhere where i talked abt my friends college thesis about the ontological implications of grids & culs-de-sac

^^^poor man's bunnicula

The FHA never put it quite this way, but what we were really doing was building communities for cars, not people. Earlier neighborhoods were literally built on a scale for the human body, with architectural embellishments at eye level and blocks and sidewalks designed for foot travel. The human measuring stick hasn’t changed much over the last 200 years, and so, in theory, that model should still apply

so otm

there was that photoessay of all the different types of cul-de-sacs in america too. so depressing.

Cul-de-sacs are pretty fun though, dayo. Have you ever lived on one? You can ride your bike in circles for hours!

my family lives in one right now

the newest trend in my suburb is gas powered scooters, which is a big wtf to me. yeah, let's encourage our kids to exercise less!

That's big in the cities too though.

no in the cities they have atvs which are much better because you can go 'froading in them

ATVs in the city? that's weird! Although in Baltimore I think the big thing is dirt bikes, which is also a little insane.

The last big city I lived in was San Diego and gas-powered scooters were pretty big, along with these fucking things.

http://www.indorider.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/mini-bike-motorcycle-150x150.jpg

haha yeah it is/was a big thing in philly a few years ago

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=7303365

giant ... children?
xp

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2004/06/16/ba_bikes.jpg

http://parishcouncils.org/greatlinford/Parish%20Councillor%20pictures/Mini%20moto.jpg

http://www.deathvalleymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Pocket-Bikes-and-Mini-Bikes.jpg

http://www.dirtbikefanatic.com/images/Girl_pocket_small.jpg

Those minibike things are completely ridiculous btw, although I've only really ridden one on gravel so I didn't get the full experience of going way too fast on pavement on a thing inches from the road

http://theseanlewis.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/f3c0ca230ea4698a86051da9defa33c5.jpg

http://gawker.com/5842640/horrifying-study-wal+mart-wants-159-nyc-locations

Eduardo Castro Wright, Walmart's Vice Chairman, stated in 2009 that Walmart stood to increase its sales between $80 and $100 billion by reaching its national average market share in urban markets. New York City, as the largest consumer market in the U.S., likely represents the largest portion of this growth strategy.

WATCH OUT DUANE READE

I would be okay with 159 walmarts as long as they were all on staten island

wtf is that bizarre rally? looks really astroturfed

They got good prices on Wranglers though. And the quality of their goods is way above Kmart. Now that's a store with some garbage.

haha it's all the same garbage, kmart is just marginally more defensible

The kmart/sears merger thing still weirds me out

it's like they had sex

Saw Sofia Vergara shilling her product that's sold at K-mart (don't remember what it was) on TV last night, kind of felt sad for her.

Would console

she is a hot Latina Time Lady

Jhess

Chicago kept Wal-Mart out for a long time, and I think we only have one right now, in a poor neighborhood way way out on the edge of town, but they're moving in. One is probably going to occupy the space where Borders used to be, which is 1 block from my apartment - I'll be able to see it from my balcony (balconette). It's going to be a challenge to not shop there, since the other grocery options are a way overpriced, crappy independent grocer and Trader Joe's. If I still live there, I wonder how long I'll hold out.

A wal-Mart "market store" just opened up I'm presidential towers.

In

that's a shame, I didn't hear about them in chicago

Oh wow.

On my bus ride to work this morning I was thinking how Presidential Towers are a blight on the westerly skyline. I hate those buildings, and now they have a Wal-Mart in them.