eh it's a pretty common thing, tho. when people who reach a certain income level and want to project their status, they rely on specific media to instruct them in what their taste & values should be. see also: most fashion & lifestyle magazines
hearty lols @ "white space" tho
― elmo argonaut, Monday, 19 September 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
When I was a kid I used to buy the Robb Report for the cars.
― dan selzer, Monday, 19 September 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
the Financial Times has a section just called "How To Spend It" which serves this noble purpose for FT readers- it's a win/win because advertisers LOVE this shit, and you can always cruise it from below if you're actually middle class- same fake it til you make it vibe as the old 80s "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" show imho
― the tune is space, Monday, 19 September 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
people like that do exist; they inherit their money
― A Fudgesicle is a frozen, ice cream-like snack. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 September 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
I would buy a lot of expensive vegetables like hop asparagus and truffles.
― bunnicula, Monday, 19 September 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/nyregion/steps-away-but-worlds-apart.html?_r=4&ref=nyregion&pagewanted=all
on a certain level this is the anti-quiddities article and the author is coming from the right place
otoh 'there are poor people in new york' is not really a news article anymore than 'tall buildings are in manhattan' is a news article.
regardless, worth it for the first comment in the comments section
― iatee, Friday, 23 September 2011 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
I tried from my phone and from my laptop and I hit a sign in page. I don't know if that's the paywall, but regardless, it's not working. Please copy and paste the whole article, photos, and the first comment.
― Je55e, Sunday, 25 September 2011 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
you've hit the paywall, I would c+p the article if this were 77 but prob against some ilx policy? anyway what you gotta do is after you hit the paywall, copy and paste the same address but delete everything after the "?" and it will reload the page sans paywall
― iatee, Sunday, 25 September 2011 05:06 (twelve years ago) link
otoh the first comment, I can paste
1.Jacob handelsmanHoustonSeptember 16th, 201112:59 pmThere should be a security checkpoint at all upper income neighborhoods where non-residents must stop and be cleared. This is commonly found in many countries throughout Europe, Asia and South America. The hodge-podge pattern of American housiong patterns where low income minority, high crime rate areas directly abut higher income housing only benefits the criminals. Obviously not Politically Correct for the Libera-Left but it passes the higher test of Common-sense and Sanity. Recommend Recommended by 14 Readers
― iatee, Sunday, 25 September 2011 05:07 (twelve years ago) link
Not the paywall, something about that link - it logs me out of NYTimes.comhttp://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/nyregion/steps-away-but-worlds-apart.html?ref=nyregion
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 25 September 2011 06:16 (twelve years ago) link
Impressed Jacob Handelsman is willing to attach his full name to that comment. I also enjoy his capitalization techniques.
― pullapartsquirrel (Jenny), Sunday, 25 September 2011 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
oh man I have never clicked on the wedding section before. good way to make yourself feel awful
― dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 11:57 (twelve years ago) link
haha we should do a 'create a nyt wedding section post' thread
― iatee, Monday, 26 September 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
I actually thought about posting that article with a similar take. It's also a very superficial treatment of the subject and she pats herself on the back an awful lot for, like, noticing that there are poor people.
Still, none of that is 1/4 as bad as some of the comments. Peoples' capacity to believe that everything in life is the product of our free will and our character traits is astounding.
― Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Monday, 26 September 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
it's baked into our culture
― dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
really wish we would stop teaching that america is a 'meritocracy' in schools
OTM x2
― pullapartsquirrel (Jenny), Monday, 26 September 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
yeah. the way that plays out given how segregated our schools are by class and race is particularly pernicious.
― horseshoe, Monday, 26 September 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
it also reinforces the invidious "poor people are poor for a REASON" line of thinking which is so utterly abhorrent
― dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
I am mostly tired of the "we can't just throw money at failing schools" canard
YES YOU CAN, DUDE
― ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
except in DC where apparently the school system is just a money black hole by its nature
― ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
that's what i mean. a lot of well-intentioned informal instruction in how to behave middle-class happens in underfunded urban schools ime. as though culture is what's keeping those kids parents poor.
xxp it's not like we ever threw money at poor schools. it would be nice to try it once before turning against it as a measure.
― horseshoe, Monday, 26 September 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
Ha yes. That's my stock response to "we can't throw money at a problem." Let's try once and see!
― pullapartsquirrel (Jenny), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
x-post
Silby, while DC's school system has its problems and has thrown and flushed money away, it still has and had less available to spend per pupil than some nearby suburban districts
― curmudgeon, Monday, 26 September 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
hm I had the impression that it was spending close to as much per pupil as Ffx and Arlington lately, will investigate further
― ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
ugh finding a lot of hits from some presumably-awful Cato Institute thing
"they spend HOW MUCH!?"
― ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
NYC wedding pages are mostly personal mergers.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― iatee, Monday, 26 September 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
curious to see if some friends' wedding ends up in the nyt
― (♯`∧´) (gbx), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
I dj'd a wedding that made the wedding page a few summers ago. It was a halloween costume party in the prospect park picnic house featuring several burlesque/performance art type performances. It was a friend from college marrying someone who worked for Henson so everyone there was a puppeteer of some sort. They even had puppets of the bride and groom.
― dan selzer, Monday, 26 September 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
― ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, September 26, 2011 1:27 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Well there's a big logical flaw in the argument. I mean yes, throwing money doesn't NECESSARILY fix anything, but that's a poor reason to not spend more or to cut. There is plenty of wasteful spending in some school systems. But the answer is probably to spend more AND spend better. Cutting budgets doesn't mean spending better.
― Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
Tax cuts huh? You can't just throw money at a family, jeez!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 26 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
Cut the corporate tax rate? You can't just throw money at a failing corporation and expect them to create jobs with it! Are you daft?
― ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
tbh not even sure what sarcastic point I am trying to make now, have crossed the meta event horizon
― ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
Dowd: Killer Yoga?Friedman: LeadershipKristof: Raped Babies
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 9 October 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha I SAW THAT TOO and thought of this thread
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 October 2011 09:38 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/nyregion/locker-decorations-growing-in-popularity-in-middle-schools.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&hp
I guess there's not that much agony here, but still: Barf.
― Je55e, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
This article about the food options at Occupy Wall Street seems right for this thread:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/dining/protesters-at-occupy-wall-street-eat-well.html
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
I wouldn't underrate the importance of food for morale at this thing!
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link
the toggery
― j., Wednesday, 12 October 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
NYT has been quiet on this front so I turn to the food reviews
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/dining/reviews/per-se-nyc-restaurant-review.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
― 2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 11:53 (twelve years ago) link
Juvenile lol: "Per Se in its early days could be a marvel of pretension and clock-gobbling silliness. "
― Je55e, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
lol, I also did a double-take at that line
― Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/10/no-more-servants/246569/
― Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
In effect, we rent servants by the hour, and some of them are mechanical.
http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/D3/7F20B098A856F4B2922AD21CB8DC2.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
<3
― Occupy LOL Street (Phil D.), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
5. Labor saving devices Servants were often standing in for things that machines now do more cheaply, and without stealing the silver.
― 2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
Well then.
― medium rear (silby), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
The Lost Asimov Directive there
― loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
Hance (err, sic?) Saki's memorable epigram: "She was a good cook, as cooks go. And as cooks go, she went."
This is great! C'mon, that article was gold.
― WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link