quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

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Impressed Jacob Handelsman is willing to attach his full name to that comment. I also enjoy his capitalization techniques.

pullapartsquirrel (Jenny), Sunday, 25 September 2011 15:07 (twelve years ago) link

oh man I have never clicked on the wedding section before. good way to make yourself feel awful

dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 11:57 (twelve years ago) link

haha we should do a 'create a nyt wedding section post' thread

iatee, Monday, 26 September 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

I actually thought about posting that article with a similar take. It's also a very superficial treatment of the subject and she pats herself on the back an awful lot for, like, noticing that there are poor people.

Still, none of that is 1/4 as bad as some of the comments. Peoples' capacity to believe that everything in life is the product of our free will and our character traits is astounding.

Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Monday, 26 September 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

it's baked into our culture

dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

really wish we would stop teaching that america is a 'meritocracy' in schools

dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

OTM x2

pullapartsquirrel (Jenny), Monday, 26 September 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

yeah. the way that plays out given how segregated our schools are by class and race is particularly pernicious.

horseshoe, Monday, 26 September 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

it also reinforces the invidious "poor people are poor for a REASON" line of thinking which is so utterly abhorrent

dayo, Monday, 26 September 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link

I am mostly tired of the "we can't just throw money at failing schools" canard

YES YOU CAN, DUDE

ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link

except in DC where apparently the school system is just a money black hole by its nature

ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

that's what i mean. a lot of well-intentioned informal instruction in how to behave middle-class happens in underfunded urban schools ime. as though culture is what's keeping those kids parents poor.

xxp it's not like we ever threw money at poor schools. it would be nice to try it once before turning against it as a measure.

horseshoe, Monday, 26 September 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

Ha yes. That's my stock response to "we can't throw money at a problem." Let's try once and see!

pullapartsquirrel (Jenny), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

x-post

Silby, while DC's school system has its problems and has thrown and flushed money away, it still has and had less available to spend per pupil than some nearby suburban districts

curmudgeon, Monday, 26 September 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

hm I had the impression that it was spending close to as much per pupil as Ffx and Arlington lately, will investigate further

ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

ugh finding a lot of hits from some presumably-awful Cato Institute thing

"they spend HOW MUCH!?"

ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

NYC wedding pages are mostly personal mergers.

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

haha

iatee, Monday, 26 September 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

curious to see if some friends' wedding ends up in the nyt

(♯`∧´) (gbx), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

I dj'd a wedding that made the wedding page a few summers ago. It was a halloween costume party in the prospect park picnic house featuring several burlesque/performance art type performances. It was a friend from college marrying someone who worked for Henson so everyone there was a puppeteer of some sort. They even had puppets of the bride and groom.

dan selzer, Monday, 26 September 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

I am mostly tired of the "we can't just throw money at failing schools" canard

YES YOU CAN, DUDE

― ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, September 26, 2011 1:27 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Well there's a big logical flaw in the argument. I mean yes, throwing money doesn't NECESSARILY fix anything, but that's a poor reason to not spend more or to cut. There is plenty of wasteful spending in some school systems. But the answer is probably to spend more AND spend better. Cutting budgets doesn't mean spending better.

Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

Tax cuts huh? You can't just throw money at a family, jeez!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 26 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

Cut the corporate tax rate? You can't just throw money at a failing corporation and expect them to create jobs with it! Are you daft?

ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 22:52 (twelve years ago) link

tbh not even sure what sarcastic point I am trying to make now, have crossed the meta event horizon

ilx user 'silby' (silby), Monday, 26 September 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link

Dowd: Killer Yoga?
Friedman: Leadership
Kristof: Raped Babies

nakhchivan, Sunday, 9 October 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

hahaha I SAW THAT TOO and thought of this thread

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 October 2011 09:38 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/nyregion/locker-decorations-growing-in-popularity-in-middle-schools.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&hp

I guess there's not that much agony here, but still: Barf.

Je55e, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link

This article about the food options at Occupy Wall Street seems right for this thread:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/dining/protesters-at-occupy-wall-street-eat-well.html

polyphonic, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 23:33 (twelve years ago) link

I wouldn't underrate the importance of food for morale at this thing!

iatee, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 23:36 (twelve years ago) link

the toggery

j., Wednesday, 12 October 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link

NYT has been quiet on this front so I turn to the food reviews

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/dining/reviews/per-se-nyc-restaurant-review.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 11:53 (twelve years ago) link

Juvenile lol: "Per Se in its early days could be a marvel of pretension and clock-gobbling silliness. "

Je55e, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link

lol, I also did a double-take at that line

Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

In effect, we rent servants by the hour, and some of them are mechanical.

http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/D3/7F20B098A856F4B2922AD21CB8DC2.jpg

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

<3

Occupy LOL Street (Phil D.), Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link

5. Labor saving devices Servants were often standing in for things that machines now do more cheaply, and without stealing the silver.

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Thursday, 13 October 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

Well then.

medium rear (silby), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

The Lost Asimov Directive there

loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

Hance (err, sic?) Saki's memorable epigram: "She was a good cook, as cooks go. And as cooks go, she went."

This is great! C'mon, that article was gold.

WE DO NOT HAVE "SECRET" "MEETINGS." I DO NOT HAVE A SECOND (Laurel), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

x-post-

Within the last decade, DC spending per pupil has gone up higher than I recalled from the '90s, but according to the Washington Examiner

The greater needs factor helps to explain why D.C. schools appear so lavish in their spending, as well. Compared with the 50 states, and especially its relatively wealthy neighboring states, the District has a far greater percentage of students with needs that require ?-- often by law -- higher staffing levels.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/dc/2011/05/dc-maryland-rank-near-top-pupil-spending#ixzz1amhOAhy2

curmudgeon, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, hadn't read that Per Se restaurant review till now:

Dinner for two can scratch at $1,000 — or about the same as the median weekly household income in New York State.

By point of context, though, an aisle orchestra seat at the Metropolitan Opera for Donizetti’s “L’Elisir d’Amore” runs $330, also excluding wine.

curmudgeon, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

seeing d'Amore without wine would be completely missing the point of course.

loads of personality, loved to chase chickens (forksclovetofu), Friday, 14 October 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

hey, if i could, or had someone who would take me, would love to dine at per se, don't see that as that evil
was, and have been, drooling ever since reading that piece

H in Addis, Friday, 14 October 2011 22:56 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/16/nyregion/once-wall-streeters-and-now-cabbies.html?pagewanted=all

Janet was finishing an afternoon shift the other day in her work uniform: a navy blazer, floral scarf and Ralph Lauren sunglasses. She was raised in Manhattan; cab driving was never part of the plan. “I always thought cabdrivers were idiots,” she said. “I still do. If anything, that has been reaffirmed.”

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link

yes but do they know what i mean when i say "myrtle and washington"

one dis leads to another (ian), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 23:51 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/16/realestate/the-hunt-a-high-rise-change-of-plans.html

They had a problem with the refrigerator, which wouldn’t make ice. It took months of attempted repairs to fix the problem, which seemed to be a kink in the water hose, Mr. Fuller said. The situation would have been comical were it not so depressing, he said. For their summer beverages, “we had to make sure to buy a bag of ice, as opposed to using our icemaker,” he said. When the problem was finally resolved, “I never thought I could be so happy over ice.”

spiced with KNOWING THAT YOU'VE PAID YOUR BILLS (I DIED), Thursday, 20 October 2011 09:09 (twelve years ago) link

Taffy Brodesser-Akner

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 20 October 2011 09:13 (twelve years ago) link

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TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 20 October 2011 09:14 (twelve years ago) link


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