Drugs, Murder and Mexico

like, obv i have failings, i try to be honest about those too, but it doesnt mean im not going to condemn someone for making a decision that seems u know WRONG

like hopefully none of my failings happen to fund the murder of innocents (obv just being an american makes this impossible but i dont have many alternatives to paying my taxes unfortunately)

i feel like this exact conversation has happened on another thread

thread(s)

i am sympathetic to iatee's view, but i also know that because everyone can't stop doing coke, we have a national policy (drug war) that unfairly targets minorities and the poor.

maybe you can have a drug war that doesn't, idk

i feel like this exact conversation has happened on another thread

― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Wednesday, September 28, 2011 1:50 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

possible yeah i guess nothing that im saying is new in this convo, i guess i was taken aback by ice craem's argument but maybe hes just saving this one for the 'learning how to troll' thread

he has used that argument before - i think on me, in fact! it just seemed like deja vu.

D-40 totally and 100% otm.

whatever makes you guys feel better about yourselves, I guess

it feels just great to think about all the children dying in mexico, thats why i do it

well if we're gonna start talking the impotence of recycling we can just segue straight into "is anybof this shit reaaaaaaaaally gonna matter when the environment starts getting especially 'interesting' in 50 to 75 years?" (a: no.)

50-75 years? we're already there

not quite at the americans shanking each other for drinking water stage yet, but as always i welcome the apocalypse to get here as soon as possible.

recycling is a valuable activity

so is saving energy

doing coke, not so much

lol I love the A++++ iatee and frogbs trolling itt

i resent any trolling itt tbrr but i guess i've been pretty humorless about this topic for the better part of 20 years

iatee isnt trolling afaict

not on purpose, at least

i mean i think hes otm & isnt really contradicting anything, just on some 'just recognize that this wont stop the problem, the real problem is systemic' realism

Yeah, I agree with him wrt to that, but its his comparison to recycling that made me rmde.

ice cr?m's idea that the violence is not just a symptom of the status quo but a possible consequence of things getting better is way more "trolly" (ie provocative) imo

if only people loved one another, the world would be a better place

Tonight, I'm going to do a big rail and then throw away a bunch of plastic six-pack holders without cutting them up first.

I'm just one man, can't make a difference anyway.

recycling was just the first thing that came to mind when I needed contrast w/ something an 'ethical consumer' does

ice cr?m trolling is a given

xp

btw I want to point out that my wife is putting a lot of the blame on Calderon and kind of suggests that the he's a terrible president as evidenced by the fact that he hasn't been assassinated yet

ppl should probably stop doing coke, its obv super lame, sorry you dont know how 2 have fun w/e but lets get realistic demand is not going to become 0 and the us govt should probably just give up fighting the war on drugs already, how many crappy bands do we have to suffer i ask u

mexican drug lords did foster the people

ice cr?m's idea that the violence is not just a symptom of the status quo but a possible consequence of things getting better is way more "trolly" (ie provocative) imo

― banana mogul (goole), Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

its a more interesting point than saying that ppl who disdain casual coke use are secretly hypocritical or w/e

the response to which is "and?"

there are tons of great coke bands!

not recently i guess but man, the 70s, wild times

the hypocrisy isnt really all that secret is it?

fyi i was referring to the terrible buzzband 'war on drugs' when i was complaining abt 'the war on drugs'

oh

lol @ dayo

ice cr?m's idea that the violence is not just a symptom of the status quo but a possible consequence of things getting better is way more "trolly" (ie provocative) imo

― banana mogul (goole), Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well its unclear if its getting better but its p much inarguable that the violence is a consequence of government activity destabilizing the cartels - thats p much the entire story of whats going on here

yeah must say that im always a little suspicious of peoples motivations in these situations re recycling or not doing coke or w/e - they often seem to have more of an appetite for condemning the actions of others than attempting to grapple w/the complexity of the situation or like acknowledge moral failings in their own lives

― ice cr?m, Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:42 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is anyone here really 'unwilling to grapple with the complexity of the situation'? idk i think its perfectly legit to judge ppl at some level for using something casually that is obviously harmful to lots of people!

― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:48 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

idk do you eat meat, travel in cars or airplanes, pay taxes in the usa - all these things hurt people, or are more accurately parts of systems that hurt people that would go on functioning quite well w/o your involvement - i will now judge you - no lol i wont because im not a self righteous ass

it's okay I'm here I'll do the judging

i mean people want cocaine so they can stay up all night drinking 25 beers and talking incessantly abt nothing, its really not their fault the u.s. government has outlawed the stuff thereby creating a huge criminal ecosystem that victimizes everyone in its way, its the governments

im not a self righteous ass

hmmm.

idk do you eat meat, travel in cars or airplanes, pay taxes in the usa - all these things hurt people, or are more accurately parts of systems that hurt people that would go on functioning quite well w/o your involvement - i will now judge you - no lol i wont because im not a self righteous ass

― ice cr?m, Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:51 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um, but you can totally judge someone for doing those things too. i don't use cars i do judge ppl for using SUVs or driving when they don't need to or not voting for progressive candidates or all sorts of other things that are harmful to the world! Sorry im a 'self righteous ass' u self righteous ass

im not saying you arent allowed to judge people for those things, just that its a rather limited pov

I am judging all of you right now

i love judging people. tbh i have no idea what id get out of this place otherwise after all this time.

To judge the oppressors of humanity is necessary. Leniency is futile.

people try to extract the moral truth from the endlessly complex global situations we all live in, which good and reasonable, were all trying to find the best way, so we decide to recycle or not do cocaine or w/e, but of course our efforts always seem rather feeble compared to the problems of the world, theres a sense that we might not be having any effect at all, i think its at this point that the urge arises to want to make others conform to the moral conclusions weve reached, and were like mad cause someone isnt using cloth shopping bags

who in this thread doesnt use cloth shopping bags

up against the wall