yeah must say that im always a little suspicious of peoples motivations in these situations re recycling or not doing coke or w/e - they often seem to have more of an appetite for condemning the actions of others than attempting to grapple w/the complexity of the situation or like acknowledge moral failings in their own lives
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:42 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
is anyone here really 'unwilling to grapple with the complexity of the situation'? idk i think its perfectly legit to judge ppl at some level for using something casually that is obviously harmful to lots of people!
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:48 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
idk do you eat meat, travel in cars or airplanes, pay taxes in the usa - all these things hurt people, or are more accurately parts of systems that hurt people that would go on functioning quite well w/o your involvement - i will now judge you - no lol i wont because im not a self righteous ass
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
it's okay I'm here I'll do the judging
― iatee, Thursday, 29 September 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
i mean people want cocaine so they can stay up all night drinking 25 beers and talking incessantly abt nothing, its really not their fault the u.s. government has outlawed the stuff thereby creating a huge criminal ecosystem that victimizes everyone in its way, its the governments
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
im not a self righteous ass
hmmm.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:51 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
um, but you can totally judge someone for doing those things too. i don't use cars i do judge ppl for using SUVs or driving when they don't need to or not voting for progressive candidates or all sorts of other things that are harmful to the world! Sorry im a 'self righteous ass' u self righteous ass
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:05 (twelve years ago) link
im not saying you arent allowed to judge people for those things, just that its a rather limited pov
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
I am judging all of you right now
― dayo, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
i love judging people. tbh i have no idea what id get out of this place otherwise after all this time.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
To judge the oppressors of humanity is necessary. Leniency is futile.
― Banaka™ (banaka), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
people try to extract the moral truth from the endlessly complex global situations we all live in, which good and reasonable, were all trying to find the best way, so we decide to recycle or not do cocaine or w/e, but of course our efforts always seem rather feeble compared to the problems of the world, theres a sense that we might not be having any effect at all, i think its at this point that the urge arises to want to make others conform to the moral conclusions weve reached, and were like mad cause someone isnt using cloth shopping bags
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
who in this thread doesnt use cloth shopping bags
― dayo, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
up against the wall
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:08 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
on some level it like w/e a perfectly normal human activity, but on the other its p tiresome, and yes i understand i cant make this statement w/o judging the judgers
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
I'm getting the sense that ice cr?m really digs cocaine
― iatee, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
lol i havent done coke in years, but i must admit to rarely using cloth shopping bags
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
when will this vicious circle of judging stop
― dayo, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
i was kidding. i dont get anything out of this place at this point.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
Cloth is the tool of the organic oppressor.
― Banaka™ (banaka), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
if only i could make an emoticon for what my face is doing rn
― señorita buttstench (Lamp), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
:-{√
?
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
that's the pringles guy if he had a frog's tongue i think
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
Banaka!!!
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
Present.
― Banaka™ (banaka), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:27 (twelve years ago) link
cloth shopping bags are part of the problem
― cocaine snorting suburbanite who says "retard" (buzza), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:35 (twelve years ago) link
i thought this thread was about drugs, mexico, and murder but i guess it's all about ice craem and his inability to carry cocaine in cloth bags
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:43 (twelve years ago) link
oh im sry is there someone else around here w/plastic shopping bags full of cocaine, i did not think so
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 02:48 (twelve years ago) link
I won't judge anyone for striking ice craem abruptly across the cheek w a pair of gloves for his roman from "party down" "random particles" defense of ppl who support a morally disgusting industry
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:16 (twelve years ago) link
Nihilism thats what I'm looking for
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:18 (twelve years ago) link
may that help to assuage yr feelings of helplessness for like the next two minutes
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:20 (twelve years ago) link
guys :(
― horseshoe, Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:21 (twelve years ago) link
Once you have abandoned "hope" you shall find the clarity you seek in us.
― Banaka™ (banaka), Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:21 (twelve years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:20 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
congrats on feeling superior? i dont know what you want me to say, acknowledge that all humans have selfish motives at some level? u arent blowing my mind
doesnt make this more defensible tho!
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
assuaged my feelings w/ mexican food tonight, for a place called puebla they had surprisingly weak mole
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:35 (twelve years ago) link
was wondering what was going on in this thread all day, seeing it at the top of new answers.
Still don't understand though, sorry.
― uhhhhhh (admrl), Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:37 (twelve years ago) link
an honest discussion abt human motivation would certainly be like a billion trillion times more compelling than yr moral pronouncements
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:40 (twelve years ago) link
'i just think this is reprehensible!' *accuses someone of feeling superior*
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:42 (twelve years ago) link
who posted 'i just think this is reprehensible!' -- I did an Omar otm because it is one of the few ways this touches our lives & it's not something I've really heard many people bring up when discussing coke use -- i'd say it's a pretty compelling argument. thats really all there is to it.
i mean, where are you drawing the line exactly?
"people try to extract the moral truth from the endlessly complex global situations we all live in, which good and reasonable, were all trying to find the best way, so we decide to recycle or not do cocaine or steal or kill or abuse animals or w/e, but of course our efforts always seem rather feeble compared to the problems of the world, theres a sense that we might not be having any effect at all, i think its at this point that the urge arises to want to make others conform to the moral conclusions weve reached, and were like mad cause someone isnt using cloth shopping bags"
i mean, trying to draw equivalences between funding an inherently murderous system & forgetting to bring your cloth bag to the grocery store is kind of disingenuous don't you think.
i mean im not going around w/ picket signs about this or something, & pretty much everyone in this thread has been really cautious about being seen as 'judgmental' in every post, partic. omar, but if a friend was like "fair trade coffee is bullshit" id probably say ehh its really not, similarly w/ cocaine use so
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:50 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw fair-trade coke is great
― wasabi pea-sized masculinity (latebloomer), Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like we're stuck in some sort of game of trying to make the other person seem unreasonable ... but seriously, who has said anything itt that deserves JUDGEMENT? who are you directing your superiority at exactly? I think it's totally reasonable to make moral decisions for yourself & then make those arguments in a public space to persuade people to your line of thinking. No one here is talking about snitching on their friends for doing coke or something
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:51 (twelve years ago) link
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:25 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
real talk this is a grim fucking thread and this post made me lol v hard
― thank you BIG HOOS, you brilliant god-man (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:50 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
not really, climate change has the potential to make the number of people killed in the drug war look like a rounding error, it may have already killed more depending on how you look at it, and theres a similarity in that an individuals decision of shopping bag or whether to use cocaine or not will almost certainly have no effect on the total body count - however if you personally abuse an animal an animal that was not before abused will now be abused so i dont think thats v apt
however if you abuse an animal
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 04:58 (twelve years ago) link
who are you directing your superiority at exactly?
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:51 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol wtf does this even mean
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 05:00 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, what posts on this thread drove u to make your 'point'
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
you can just do a search for my name and review the whole thread its p easy
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 05:06 (twelve years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
well if you've made this mental calculus then you can feel free to judge me if i forget to bring a cloth bag to the grocery store! You could probably make a persuasive argument about it! otoh i could also make an argument that, you know, you need to get food & carry it in something home, and that because you forgot to bring a cloth bag, an extra trip in your car actually increases the amount of gas released into the ozone, so in fact it actually saves the environment to not make the trip home just to get a bag, and you're talking about all of these logistical issues which involve modern life in some v complicated ways, vs
dont do cocaine
which is pretty simple, and easy, and doesnt actually interfere w/ transporting food from distributor to home. i mean, its just a whole lot easier way to minimize your 'footprint'! in my opinion.
and im also not entirely convinced that, as a fraction of the environmental impact, using one paper bag is actually as harmful anyway, beacuse as a 'tragedy of the commons' issue its a much more widely distributed source of harm than 'people who buy coke' so your numbers game could easily be off. there's also ways to curb greenhouse gases that wouldn't involve people always using cloth bags; when it comes down to it, shopping bags alone are a pretty small % of the problem.
but this is, like, all beside the point, because really to be a 'good person' you should probably do both! your game of delineating which is more harmful & to what degree is silly; driving a car isn't as bad as driving an SUV, but that doesnt make it ok to drive a car either.
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 05:08 (twelve years ago) link
― ice cr?m, Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:06 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im asking which particular post struck you as being so over the top in its need to pat itself on the back.
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 05:09 (twelve years ago) link
there is a simple answer to all of this and it is to kill anyone you disagree with.
― Banaka™ (banaka), Thursday, 29 September 2011 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
i wont judge you for killing us, because what, are we all gonna have to recycle?
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 05:10 (twelve years ago) link
my game is totally not delineating which is worse! what i was doing was comparing things people enjoy taking moral stands on because theyre v easy and painless to do so, that are in the big scheme of things likely to change basically nothing and have v little to do w/someone actually being a 'good person'
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:09 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ok at yr request ive reviewed and the first one was just agreeing w/iatee who wasnt even directing anything at anyone in this thread so far as i can tell
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 05:15 (twelve years ago) link