Drugs, Murder and Mexico

btw,

http://www.thestranger.com/binary/98a1/Feature1-570.jpg

It rots your flesh!

cool now i dont have to worry abt worms

THAT is an excellent reason not to do blow

just snort levamisole directly, it doesn't support murder and gets you equally fucked up

then the cartels will just move into trafficking levamisole

Rereading last nights argument I still don't get jho's perspective here.

http://i.imgur.com/cnYOi.jpg

A paramilitary group called Mata-Zetas in Veracruz

(en frances)

Better than cocaine
This thread dispute between Nate and Trife resembles two hearty, healthy young chimps sparring
a) for territory
b) to see which of them is more mature
c) to see which can get the protection of 'the elders', sitting nearby chewing on twigs while being deloused by females.

Nate mentions cocaine, Trife steps into the clearing with a challenge that he has experienced neither the white powder nor, in fact, sexual intercourse (staking a claim to seniority by implying that he has already sampled both). Nate appeals to the elders to expel the aggressor but is met with indifference. Trife chases him into the brush with the cry 'eat my ass you clueless cum bubble'. As literature or evidence of intelligent life on earth, zero. A mark added for Trife's assonance and alliteration: 'ass' and 'clueless' have alliterative endings, 'clueless' and 'cum' alliterative beginnings, and 'cum bubble' is a nice piece of assonance. For humanity, though, bathos and probable deletion. 1

― Momus (Momus), Sunday, September 28, 2003

^^ the most vicious drug war on ILX

i think icey has been p otm here. i don't think he's really hung up on 'self-righteousness'; in the context of this thread, I think that these 'cocaine as consumer choice' derails come across as a bunch of ppl thinking they're fighting the cartel by choosing not to do a bunch of coke that they were not going to do anyways...? i don't think icey is out of line by thinking that may not be the most meaningful response to the situation at hand.

at the same time, omar is right; cocaine use should be subject to not only legal but social censure, and should be drained of every last drop of countercultural frisson so that it can be seen as the terrorists' wares that it is. but it feels like the official stance of this thread is that cocaine should be legal, and that nobody should use it: you don't have to be obsessed with self-righteousness to see that this might be a wee bit incoherent...

anyways: so yeah, Rick Perry...

You may as well continue hunting at a place called Niggerhead. It's not like you staying at home is going to stop racism or anything.

wait a second

cocaine should be legal, and that nobody should use it

i agree with the first part, but not necessarily the second. where are you getting that? speaking for myself, that has never been what i had in mind w/r/t political abstention.

but it feels like the official stance of this thread is that cocaine should be legal, and that nobody should use it: you don't have to be obsessed with self-righteousness to see that this might be a wee bit incoherent...

this is misleading. the 'official stance' if there is one (there isn't) would be 'cocaine should be legal, nobody should use it until it's legal'

cokestrawmanning

iatee: plenty of examples itt of ppl conveying skepticism of the eventual legality of cocaine, so I don't feel at all bad with leaving out the 'until...' part

LL: iatee otm about there being no 'official stance'; that was my way of saying overall it seems that everybody agrees that coke should be legal, but that in the last few hundred posts, it seems that there is a majority in agreement that using coke makes you a bad person. you weren't one of the people agreeing with this; I didn't mean to include you in that. I should've been more clear.

PP: read the whole post, dude.

plenty of examples itt of ppl conveying skepticism that people will stop doing cocaine too

Hell, I've read the whole thread, dude.

there's really no contradiction or hypocrisy in saying coke should be legal and people should try to not use it.

that logic would have held re: booze in in '20s

also I thought a good amount of the "using coke makes you a bad person" rhetoric was tied directly to the atrocities being committed in name of coke production, but I haven't been in this thread for a while and maybe we've moved on to Patrick Bateman jokes

there's def a strong correlation between 'people who do coke regularly' and 'total assholes' but that's not reason enough to think it should be illegal. being an asshole should probably be illegal though.

D. A. Money -- ok, because that is a pretty fucked up stance if that is the official stance, right? I'd say so. Yikes.

Ken Burns' Prohibition was on tv last night and I thought of this thread and how easily/quickly/heatedly convoluted the discussion can become.

i think icey has been p otm here. i don't think he's really hung up on 'self-righteousness'; in the context of this thread, I think that these 'cocaine as consumer choice' derails come across as a bunch of ppl thinking they're fighting the cartel by choosing not to do a bunch of coke that they were not going to do anyways...? i don't think icey is out of line by thinking that may not be the most meaningful response to the situation at hand.

at the same time, omar is right; cocaine use should be subject to not only legal but social censure, and should be drained of every last drop of countercultural frisson so that it can be seen as the terrorists' wares that it is. but it feels like the official stance of this thread is that cocaine should be legal, and that nobody should use it: you don't have to be obsessed with self-righteousness to see that this might be a wee bit incoherent...

anyways: so yeah, Rick Perry...

― revelatory juxtaposition there, bro (Drugs A. Money), Monday, October 3, 2011 12:25 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if u just mean 'deej offtm' say so

anyway not really incoherent at all; there is a moral dimension to consumer choices. obviously if people think that simply by shopping morally they are changing the world & don't need to become involved in solving the actual systemic issues because they bought fair trade coffee or processed the coca themselves then yes they are full of it, but i don't see anyone here who thinks that bcuz they've decided to direct their money in less harmful ways that makes them good ppl by default, or means there arent other dimensions to being a 'moral person,' etc

when it gets down to it, we all draw lines around what we think is socially acceptable behavior -- if i see someone kill someone, i'm not cool with it, if i see someone jaywalking, i don't think it's a big deal, if i see a woman pull her 2 year old across a street full of busy traffic, i'm somewhere in between those two poles. If you have decided that folks who know about the ramifications of funding this industry but do it anyway are really 'not that big a deal' then fine -- but personally i can't really see why I shouldn't draw a pretty thick line between what I would consider 'responsible ethical behavior' and 'doing coke'

this isn't about whether or not i want to or don't want to do coke. i'm sure if i did coke regularly id come up w/ some kind of rationalization in my brain because thats what ppl do for the behavior that they wish to engage in.

there's def a strong correlation between 'people who do coke regularly' and 'total assholes' but that's not reason enough to think it should be illegal. being an asshole should probably be illegal though.

very reminiscent of Bill Cosby's bit on cocaine in "Himself"

I thought everyone here knew I was b1ll c0sby?

actually I do share a birthday with him

i met him once and he signed the back of a raffle ticket for me

Posting from phone so fuck c&p/ital. Anyways, D-40, it's not just you who's offtm; in fact I don't even think you're that offtm...? I mean, it's not like I'm gonna swoop into Mexico like Rambo and take out some Zetas. I just feel like 'stop doing coke' is kind of a weak response to 'thousands of Mexicans are being brutally murdered' that for it (the response) to be so vigorously defended here just seems o_O to me.

Fwiw I am not exactly thrilled with icey's 'well, countries be growin' response either

Flippant, that is the word I have been trying to think of. The topic I thought we were discussing deserves a less flippant treatment than the one it has been given.

us troops will never end up in mexico ... ?

rick perry has proposed that, fyi

U think I'm being too flippant? I feel like maybe towards other ILXors, not towards the larger topic...

Xxp

Nonono -- I don't think you're being flippant. The digression into lols and countries be growin' is what I was referring to.

really dudes 'countries be growin'

you really think the fact that mexico grew at historic levels over the last decade is irrelevant and has nothing at all to do w/this shit

yall get a big seriousness award, congratulations

who said that? maybe if you would stop being dismissive for like 5 seconds we could all have a rational conversation, but i don't know if that's going to happen either.

thanks for my seriousness award, will hang it next to my harpie prize

man I think creamy's hearts in the right place here, but it reads like he sort of skims this thread and races off on a tangent that really misses the mark

The digression into lols and countries be growin' is what I was referring to.

― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Monday, October 3, 2011 3:03 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who said that? maybe if you would stop being dismissive for like 5 seconds we could all have a rational conversation

― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Monday, October 3, 2011 3:12 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

*rolls eyes*

you're impossible!

Another severed heads news story should cast off the lols.

lol you seriously do not see the irony in accusing someone of being dismissive and frivolous while using the phrase 'countries be growin'

btw everyone has been i think p nice in mostly ignoring yr omg this thread is barbarous i know things abt mexico shtick

Dude she was directly quoting another post itt:

Fwiw I am not exactly thrilled with icey's 'well, countries be growin' response either

yeah i noticed that obvs duh

okay you really are impossible

omg did i you point out something i already knew, in quoting it did she endorse it, next time in questions from an impossible poster

iirc, she was pretty much doing the exact opposite of endorsing it

thanks a lot everyone for being nice to me in spite of my schtick