― Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 22 May 2004 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link
seger's other stuffis all up-and-down and stuff"night moves," though, is DOPE
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link
hollywood nightsbeautiful loserand ESPECIALLY the kinda by the numbers Seger but also kind of weird sub-springsteen in his early dylan knockoff lyrics phase FIRE LAKE!!!!
got you stuck off the realness, bob be the infamous...
(PS also the Bob Seger System album is ace pscyh-R&B with ultra classic Ramblin Gamblin Man)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, the encounters aren't anonymous, are they? I mean, it's just a couple of teenagers going at it in the backseat of a car, but I don't think it's ever implied that they don't know each other.
Not that it matters. I have to say it's "deeply resonant" because when I was like 12 or 13, this song represented what I thought being a teenager was going to be like, and I have to say, it sounded pretty sweet. I realize that's not what you meant when you said "deeply resonant," but I feel OK with that.
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link
scott ce so fucking OTM....(also I grew up in a midwestern small town which might mean that it means more to me)....
also it's what being a teenager SHOULD have been like, but usually isn't....
also, I remember songs like this making me nostalgic for being a teenager when I WAS a teenager....nostalgia for the PRESENT...or nostalgia for something that never was....or I haven't got any sleep in days and I should SHUT UP!
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pete Shelley (Ned), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Who’s gonna ride that chrome three wheelerWho’s gonna make that first mistakeWho wants to wear those gypsy leathersAll the way to fire lakeWho wants to break the news about uncle joeYou remember uncle joeHe was the one afraid to cut the cakeWho wants to tell poor aunt sarahJoe’s run off to fire lakeJoe’s run off to fire lake
Who wants to brave those bronze beautiesLying in the sunWith their long soft hair fallingFlying as they runOh they smile so shyAnd they flirt so wellAnd they lay you down so fastTill you look straight up and sayOh lordAm I really here at lost
Who wants to play those eights and acesWho wants a raiseWho needs a stakeWho wants to take that long shot gambleAnd head out to fire lakeHead outWho wants to go to fire lakeAnd head outWho wants to go to fire lakeHead outOut to fire lake
I WANT MY LIFE TO BE A CHEVY TRUCK COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW PLEASE!!!
WHO WANTS TO WEAR THOSE GYPSY LEATHERS?!??
UNCLE JOE IS AFRAID TO CUT THE CAKE?!?! (fart joke?)
i need a steak.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 22 May 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Saturday, 22 May 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link
Scott OTM
also, I remember songs like this making me nostalgic for being a teenager when I WAS a teenager....nostalgia for the PRESENT...or nostalgia for something that never was...
Matt OTM
Not much more needs to be said, other than to affirm classic status. It's great fun to play that simple D-C-G progression over and over. I never tire of it. Also, been spending a lot of time with the album of the same name over the last 6 months or so; it's probably his best overall album, IMNSHO. And yes, I've heard them all.
― Broheems (diamond), Saturday, 22 May 2004 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― dave q, Saturday, 22 May 2004 22:21 (nineteen years ago) link
also classic Seger:
hollywood nights
The drums on this song are friggin' great.
― Vic Funk, Saturday, 22 May 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link
i agree with ned...it's both. it's a really well written and arranged song, and his singing is great too, especially those carefully strangulated high notes. i mean, the song is admirable in its counterbalance of romanticism and romanticizing-puncturing detail.... but even with all its lyrics acknowledging the bumbling, awkward nature of teenage sexual encounters, there's something a little icky about it.
i never had an adolescence like this :(... but i understand the feelinsg about this song offering one vision of adolescence for those for whom it hadn't yet arrived.
the drums on "hollywood hills" ARE great. seger has a bunch of really great songs.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 00:45 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...) (webmail), May 22nd, 2004 1:05 PM. (vassifer) (later) (link)------------------------------------------------------------------------
"used to"? have you come around?
he really is (was) a good songwriter, a better than good singer...and his best records have really classic r'n'r arrangements, exciting and meaty without being (like much of his lesser, and later, stuff) too thick and portentous.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link
(j/k)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link
D: "Shakedown," featuring the stomach-turning chorus, "Shakedown, breakdown--you're busted" and then the lamest robo-horns ever. From the Beverly Hills Cop 2 OST, natch.
― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Sunday, 23 May 2004 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link
Not really, but his like has become pretty scarce....unless you count Kid Rock.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 23 May 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link
Even better than Cougar's "Ain't Even Done With the Night," which is also classic in the exact same bra-strap-fumbling vein.
― spittle (spittle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link
i'm not a big seger fan (i started a "defend the indefensible" about him a year ago, remember?). but i do like this song -- especially the slow part towards the end, where segar "wakes up to the sound of thunder," starts humming a "song from 1962," remembers the backseat romance of this song, and (as if to not dwell too long on it) notes that autumn is closing in. for some reason, it seems to sum up memories of that sorta thing pretty well esp. as one grows older -- think about it a while, then move on. and yeah, the music arrangement is pretty nice.
i also remember first hearing this when i was, like, 8? not having any knowledge of nookie, i just thought it was about a detective ("working on mysteries w/t any clues" and all).
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 23 May 2004 02:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 03:24 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, I got the chords wrong up there; I was trying to do it from memory. I had the I-IV-V in the wrong key; it's actually G-F-C. Same chords as "Sister Ray". Of course.
― Broheems (diamond), Sunday, 23 May 2004 03:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Sunday, 23 May 2004 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link
This just occured to me (your sentence about autumn closing in)
HUSKER DU'S CELEBRATED SUMMER = HOLLYWOOD NIGHTS OF 80S PUNK!!!!
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link
Then that backward-looking section at the end is just knife-twistingly real: it's clear that he has romantic feelings about the past, while at the same time acknowledging how unromantic the coupling was.
Because nostalgia often has little to do with the quality of the experiences, and a lot to do with our own shifts in feeling about ourselves. This is actually a pretty feckin wise point, and one that I don't think was ever made in song before "Night Moves."
I have similar love for "Main Street." Not "Hollywood Nights," though, for some reason. Too frenetic, with its fast tempo and hooting backup singers.
― The Mad Puffin, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
...which is basically an "it's tough to be a rockstar" song, I figured out years later. "Deadlines and commitments/What to leave in/What to leave out." I didn't understand that line at the time. Now I wonder how choosing a final track listing for an album is really worst than, "Makin' Thunderbirds" or the other Midwest labor jobs he sang about.
But too true about "Night Moves" and "nostalgia for an age yet to come" in so many Seger songs. And 1962 seemed like the distant past, when it was really only 15 years earlier. It would be like "hummin' a song from 1990" now.
― mike a, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 3 May 2005 22:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 3 May 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link
'Fire Lake' isn't bad. (And 'Makin' Thunderbirds' on *the Distance*. though I haven't heard it in years, might well be better.) But either way, *Stranger in Town* is his last great album, not *Night Moves.*
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Mad Puffin, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Hurlothrumbo (hurlothrumbo), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link
We weren’t in love, oh no, far from itWe weren’t searchin’ for some pie in the sky summitWe were just young and restless and boredLivin’ by the swordAnd we’d steal away every chance we couldTo the backroom, to the alley or the trusty woodsI used her, she used meBut neither one caredWe were gettin’ our share
The chorus still annoys me. I don't like the phrase "Night Moves" -- it just sounds dumb. But I think maybe I'm hitting the age when I start to really like mid 70s super-steady-beat medium-light rock.
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link
this is pretty much adult life summed up in a line.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― brettino's bounce (Da ve Segal), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link
uh, quite the opposite actually. as one who fits that description .. it makes it easy to LOVE it. Because we already knew how great Bob's early stuff wuz. tho it is fun to laugh at Soofjam lovin pitchdorks who discover Bob's early stuff and make an about-face.
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― yvette yreka (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:41 (eighteen years ago) link
lol
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 November 2019 21:01 (four years ago) link
I always wondered if Funkadelic did any shows with those early Detroit hard rock bands like Seger, MC5 or the Stooges.
― earlnash, Sunday, 3 November 2019 00:22 (four years ago) link
(article idea for writers on board)...I also thought it would be a good idea if you could get Seger and George Clinton for an interview together, that could be interesting to get their feedback on Detroit in the late 60s and early 70s. Same interview would be great if you had Iggy or maybe someone like Wayne Kramer in there too.
― earlnash, Sunday, 3 November 2019 00:25 (four years ago) link
Funkadelic def played w the MC5
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 3 November 2019 00:51 (four years ago) link
Soldier Field 1970: https://theconcertdatabase.com/concerts/wcfls-big-10-summer-music-festival
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 3 November 2019 00:54 (four years ago) link
As killer a lineup that might be, I'd imagine this engagement was a bit less interesting than the MC5s previous Chicago gig in '68.
― earlnash, Sunday, 3 November 2019 01:05 (four years ago) link
One of the Funkadelic guys introduced the Stooges to heroin at a show they shared the bill on, and I bet that was it.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 3 November 2019 01:06 (four years ago) link
i saw starz/rush/bob seger at the palladium in my college days. lots of rush fans left before the headliner. their loss. he/it ruled!
https://theconcertdatabase.com/sites/theconcertdatabase.com/files/1977-03-17.jpg
i also saw that blondie/iggy show. geez those were consecutive nights.
― Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 3 November 2019 01:32 (four years ago) link
idk, i think i have the tapes from the stooges and the mc5 at that show. wish the person who taped them had taped funkadelic as well...
― tantric societal collapse (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 November 2019 01:41 (four years ago) link
Just saw an amped story about his last show of the tour/ever (in Philadelphia, BTW). It's mentioned that he hasn't ruled out a final tour overseas, something he hasn't done since 1980.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 3 November 2019 02:56 (four years ago) link
Setlist:
SimplicityStill the SameThe Fire Down BelowMainstreetOld Time Rock & RollThe Fire InsideShame on the MoonRoll Me AwayCome to PoppaHer StrutLike a RockYou'll Accomp'ny MeWe've Got TonightTravelin' ManBeautiful LoserSunspot BabyTurn the PageForever YoungRamblin' Gamblin' ManEncoreAgainst the WindHollywood NightsThe Famous Final SceneNight MovesRock and Roll Never Forgets
EncoreAgainst the WindHollywood Nights
The Famous Final SceneNight MovesRock and Roll Never Forgets
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 3 November 2019 03:00 (four years ago) link
Looks like the setlist I got.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 November 2019 04:21 (four years ago) link
I think it's the same one for every show on the tour.
― pplains, Sunday, 3 November 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link
I'm sure. That always surprises me, since you'd think they'd want to shake it up a little, especially since his band was given not much of note to do. A couple of times Bob got to sit down and strum a barely-audible guitar, but he did play piano a little, and I thought it would have been nice if they just left him on stage for a couple of songs to play a deep cut or two. It really would have been sweet, given the context, if instead of a full-band "Night Moves" closing the set it was just Bob and the piano by himself.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 3 November 2019 16:11 (four years ago) link
He was doing "Busload of Faith" (a Lou cover from the last album) at earlier dates.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 3 November 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
Of course, if you knock off "Simplicity" and the Dylan cover, the set is practically his greatest hits comps track-for-track.
― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 3 November 2019 16:34 (four years ago) link
I like how he does the same "Travelin' Man/Beautiful Loser" medley as on "Live Bullet". Talk about a pair of songs joined at the hip! Can't even begin to imagine how many times I heard that medley on the radio back in the day.
― henry s, Sunday, 3 November 2019 16:47 (four years ago) link
RIP Alto Reed :((from FB)"It is with a heavy heart that we inform you of the passing of our lifelong friend and band mate, Alto Reed. Alto passed away this morning at his home with his family by his side after fighting a courageous battle with colon cancer. Alto has been a part of our musical family, on and off stage, for nearly 50 years. I first starting playing with Alto in 1971. He was amazing – he could play just about anything…he was funky, could scat and play tenor sax and alto sax at the same time.We worked with Alto often and when we booked our first headline arena gigs at Cobo Hall, we asked him to be a part of those shows. No doubt his iconic performance on Turn The Page helped lift us to another level. He has been with us on that stage virtually every show, ever since. And whether it was Turn The Page, Mainstreet, or Old Time Rock And Roll, audiences roared every time he played his part. In our band, Alto was the rock star.Off stage, Alto had a passion for discovering and experiencing new things. He taught me how to sail on Biscayne Bay, we swam with the sharks (unintentionally!), and he often introduced us to local foods and restaurants he had discovered. I called him Captain. He was bolder than I was. I remember visiting him in the Miami area and I found him feeding the manatees in a lagoon behind his house. Most of us feed the seagulls, Alto fed the manatees! Alto started a family and was a fabulous father. He helped raise two talented, beautiful, intelligent young ladies. Over the years, his passion for music, life and new adventures never diminished. We loved him like a brother and will miss forever." - Bob Seger
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
Disappointed to learn that Alto Reed wasn't his real name.
― pplains, Wednesday, 30 December 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
lol same
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 19:18 (three years ago) link
I interviewed keyboardist Erik Deutsch once and when he told me he was married to one of Alto Reed's daughters, I demanded Bob Seger stories. (He didn't have anything really wild to share, just told me that yes, Bob Seger was at his wedding, and he was as awesome a guy as you would expect.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 19:37 (three years ago) link
Listening to Live Bullet on youtube today in memoriam. One of the records I sold pretty much as soon as punk hit, but I saw him around the time this was recorded and he was a rockin' great time. RIP Alto Reed.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 30 December 2020 22:56 (three years ago) link
I got a ton of nostalgia tied around the big 3 w/ Night Moves, Live Bullet and The Stranger. Where I grew up, Seger was the DUDE. I can remember being a kid that period in the late 70s early 80s and just knowing all those songs, they were just everywhere. At his peak, the Silver Bullet band could outsell live show tickets against anyone in Indianapolis, bigger even than Mellancamp at his peak. He sold out 3 nights at the Hoosier Dome on the Like a Rock tour to my memory, the Stones only did two. That's something like 160,000 tickets.
Live Bullet is awesome and that line on "Turn the Page" by Alto Reed is forever epic played day round on FM radio (RIP).
― earlnash, Thursday, 31 December 2020 04:27 (three years ago) link
the tone on that Turn the Page line still gives me chills
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 31 December 2020 04:32 (three years ago) link
I just watched a documentary on Muscle Shoals on Prime and fuck, does Mainstreet hit hard.
― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 16 April 2021 04:24 (three years ago) link
heh i have that doc in my watchlist but haven't checked it out yet. for the record, seger is an all-time balladeer.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 16 April 2021 04:51 (three years ago) link
Bob Seger’s Night Moves is an incredible song. It’s a Mid Western film noir RomCom in futile denial of the romance that it obviously ACHES for. Its proclaimed unsentimentality is ironically the source of its painful nostalgia. 10CC’s I’m Not In Love is its colder English Cousin.— Vernon Reid (@vurnt22) April 17, 2022
― mookieproof, Sunday, 17 April 2022 12:23 (two years ago) link
He's not wrong.
― earlnash, Sunday, 17 April 2022 12:26 (two years ago) link
otm
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54 (two years ago) link
otm. inversely it helps explain why "summer of '69" is so cloying, at least to my ear
― budo jeru, Sunday, 17 April 2022 19:28 (two years ago) link
― Ramones Leave the Capitol (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 April 2022 19:37 (two years ago) link
I heard “Fire Down Below” for the first time in ages the other day. Had to crank it! Does it not get played much on classic rock radio anymore? This album rules, fuiud.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Sunday, 17 April 2022 23:55 (two years ago) link
Have to admit it took me a long while for this guy to grow on me and I still don’t really like (not on this album) “Old Time Rock & Roll.”
― Ramones Leave the Capitol (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 April 2022 23:59 (two years ago) link
Nostalgia for a web post yet to cOOOOOOOOooooooooommmmeee....
― Ramones Leave the Capitol (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 April 2022 00:01 (two years ago) link
OTR&R is actually a great song imo, it’s just been beaten into Mustang Sally levels of tedium.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 18 April 2022 00:03 (two years ago) link
i dunnoit’s not that great compared to ~so much~ of his catalog prior to thatalso my least favorite music subgenre is washed middleaged guys complaining about music
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 April 2022 00:14 (two years ago) link
The worst thing that happened to OTR&R was Risky Business.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 April 2022 00:23 (two years ago) link
he had so many damn top 40 hits I don't know
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 April 2022 00:33 (two years ago) link
“Old Time Rock ‘n’ Roll” is Seger’s 1980s “Ballad Of The Yellow Berets.” The tragic difference is that there was no 1980s “2+2=?”
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 18 April 2022 00:46 (two years ago) link
Following up OTR&R by making "Fire Lake" the first single off your next album is a hell of a move.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Monday, 18 April 2022 01:07 (two years ago) link
At least it was "Old Time Rock & Roll" that got played to death, not the vastly superior "Rock & Roll Never Forgets."
― Hideous Lump, Monday, 18 April 2022 01:16 (two years ago) link
Yes, that one is much better.
― Ramones Leave the Capitol (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 April 2022 01:25 (two years ago) link
all the seger -- particularly betty lou's getting out tonight -- reminds me of good burgers at the landmark inn
it was an absolute dive owned by my classmate's dad and always shady as fuck. classmate, last i heard, was in prison -- but his younger brother was flying blimps over sporting events
anyway seger rules
― mookieproof, Monday, 18 April 2022 01:32 (two years ago) link
my least favorite music subgenre is washed middleaged guys complaining about music
True, I need them to be filthy before they start their whining.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 18 April 2022 01:44 (two years ago) link
Mr. Seger if you're nasty
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 April 2022 01:56 (two years ago) link
nostalgia often has little to do with the quality of the experiences, and a lot to do with our own shifts in feeling about ourselves. This is actually a pretty feckin wise point, and one that I don't think was ever made in song before "Night Moves."
I'd say this is the point of "People Take Pictures of Each Other" by the Kinks, written eight years earlier.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 18 April 2022 02:25 (two years ago) link
...and "Picture Book".
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 18 April 2022 02:28 (two years ago) link
The worst thing that happened to OTR&R was Risky Business.― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 April 2022 00:23 (three hours ago) link
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 April 2022 00:23 (three hours ago) link
idk, if you've ever seen the Stone Mountain laser show...
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 18 April 2022 04:08 (two years ago) link