ouch!
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link
PWND!
Damn!
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sven Basted (blueski), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 31 March 2005 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 31 March 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 31 March 2005 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 31 March 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 31 March 2005 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link
Yes, Moby totally sucks and Fukuyama's rhetoric totally sucks and yay kelefa for nailing those two targets . . . but neither of those things should lead to the overcompensating, equally triumphalist conclusion "hurray, now we cultural gatekeepers can make sure that all pop stars have outsize personalities again- no more of these evil people who just make music (probably with laptops) but who try to opt out of having a Big Pop Star Look". I am sorry but that is an ultimately conservative, "hurray for Business As Usual!" notion that is also lame. Moby's way of doing an end run around radio (loads of ads) is barfy and creeepy, there's no doubt about that. But thinking that radio is a trustworthy and democratic means by which pop music gets selected meritocratically (ie. that it really reflects 'what the public enjoys' ) is, in the age of Clear Channel and rampant payola, highly questionable.
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 31 March 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sven Basted (blueski), Thursday, 31 March 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah, the tone of that over the last few years in particular in various corners has been wearying. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater in saying all chart music sucks is ridiculous, but similarly the encomiums of "Gee top 40's the most democratic and truly best thing around for reflecting the popular mood" = haha, you make me laugh.
Tim, unsurprisingly, summed up the best attitude when he noted that one can like something that's in the charts rather than liking something *because* it's in the charts.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link
Unsubstantiated generalizations give me gas. Also: meet the new old boss; he wears glasses, talks a lot, and is very "sensitive" and "meaningful", but is really no more than a lateral move from the supersized teenypoppers (unless one can spin Play as the barnstormer that allowed producer-led pop polyglotism to become the Billboard lingua franca) (& even then, once you go pop, you are pop; welcome to the machine, here's your Grammy).
[xpost w/ what Mike H said]
Otherwise, what Scott sez. Except I love everyone. Scott, too! (Even though the thread title's too short.)
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link
that said, mileage may vary
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― What we want? Sex with T.V. stars! What you want? Ian Riese-Moraine! (Eastern Ma, Thursday, 31 March 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link
ahahahahaha!
god that cover was dreadful....also: His fucking sludgy shitty Joy Division cover that mars the otherwise perfect 24 Hour Party People soundtrack....that pissed me off just cuz that soundtrack is so fucking great with that one exception....it's like he took a dump on the floor in the middle of the Louvre or something.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 31 March 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 31 March 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link
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― ffirehorse (firehorse), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― ffirehorse (firehorse), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 1 April 2005 00:44 (nineteen years ago) link
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I know that "Advertisement" isn't part of the article, but it sure looks like it should be.
― Stupornaut (natepatrin), Friday, 1 April 2005 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 1 April 2005 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 1 April 2005 12:32 (nineteen years ago) link
My memory is that it was a minor hit in the UK, ie reaching no. 20 or something like that.
― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Friday, 1 April 2005 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 1 April 2005 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link
Wait, "Temptation" or "Blue Monday"?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 April 2005 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 1 April 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link
Because it's wrong? Moby's released at least three interesting albums.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 April 2005 13:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Atnevon (Atnevon), Friday, 1 April 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
-- The Ghost of Dan Perry
That's beside the point. I don't even like Moby. But Sanneh obviously likes Play, and doesn't like what came after. Alls I'm sayin' is that it's a stretch to go from that to sweeping statements about traditional vs. non-traditional music celebs.
― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link
A) Play's always struck me as a perfectly good pop record that kind of commodified My Life In the Bush of Ghosts' innovations 18 years after the fact. And that's fine, pleasing even, if not exactly revolutionary.
B) It's hardly surprising that his pop music has gone into the shitter — until Play, the guy was never much of a pop artist anyway.
C) I haven't paid close enough attention to know whether he was making some statement or not, but the "end run" and the licensing blitz came off more crafty than crass or anything. Those who found it really appalling always seem to be under the impression pop music still has some integrity left. Please tell me if I'm wrong here...
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― strng hlkngtn, Wednesday, 6 April 2005 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link
that said, I'm disappointed that he didn't dedicate a blog entry to the review.
― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link
I..... don't know what to say about this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VASywEuqFd8
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 06:54 (seven years ago) link
a late entry for this thread ?
S/D: Mid-to-late-'90s alt-rock-electronic-ish stuff that was probably on a soundtrack somewhere and is now severely out of taste but that I love
― mark e, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 08:44 (seven years ago) link
In the late 1990's, Moby wasn't yet an ideology or a brand name or even a pop star.
He was just a soft-spoken music geek, and he seemed likely to spend his career enjoying the kind of underground fame that might ordinarily attach to a punk rocker turned electronica producer turned eclecticist.
Yes, the "underground fame" of having at least 6 top 40 hits (Go, Hymn, Move, Feeling So Real, Everytime You Touch Me, his version of the James Bond theme) and, unlike almost every other electronic music producer of that era, having his face on the cover of his every album and appearing in all his music videos.
But I guess you aren't really famous unless you're famous in the USA?
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 11:59 (seven years ago) link
http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/dvdboxart/22544/p22544_d_v8_aa.jpg
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 12:30 (seven years ago) link
And pre-Play Moby ruled
― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 12:31 (seven years ago) link
having his face on the cover of his every album
ha ha :D
― Shakey δσς (sic), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 12:32 (seven years ago) link
these new moby songs are extremely confusing
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 October 2016 00:00 (seven years ago) link
nine inch moby
rip moby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WywzWjZATKA
― esempiu (crüt), Thursday, 20 October 2016 00:03 (seven years ago) link
most of moby's music is not very good and much of it is bad but I will stan for everything is wrong forever and bc of that album and moby's general way of being I will always kind of like him
― marcos, Thursday, 20 October 2016 00:15 (seven years ago) link
"Everything Is Wrong" was good, yeah, iirc, but "God Moves Over the Face of the Water">>whatever else is on that record.
His memoir is supposed to be pretty good.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 October 2016 00:31 (seven years ago) link
this was a really good read (account of the Aphex Twin/Orbital/Moby U.S. tour from the guy hired to be Moby's fake keyboard player):
http://inthemix.junkee.com/my-1993-rave-adventure-with-moby/19934http://inthemix.junkee.com/how-i-survived-americas-first-ever-rave-tour/20112
and this is a very entertaining thing based around the guy who lent Moby those Alan Lomax cds: https://gimletmedia.com/episode/2-gregor/
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 20 October 2016 15:26 (seven years ago) link
i totally understand the hate moby incites, however, i cannot help it, i have a lot of time for moby.whenever i see him interviewed he seems like a really decent chap that i would love to have a few drinks with.oh, and despite the overuse of certain presets, he has tunes.simple as that.re this new album : i will totally buy it when fopp have it for a fiver.
― mark e, Thursday, 20 October 2016 20:13 (seven years ago) link