RIP George Harrison

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The only George track I hate on the White Album is "While My Guitar Gently Weeps".
As hate is such a strong word could you explain that a little, Tom? Just reading the lyrics before I posted them here made me almost cry. I was thinking of George's guitar which is now weeping for him. Is it too sentimental? I must admit it is on the verge of schmaltzy kitsch but I think it is still on the good side.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i liked his "indian" songs when i was small, and put my name down to learn sitar at the freshers fair! — how this would have stood with my punXoR blether i cannot now tell (ragalama dolequeue?), but the man never sent me the times of the classes so the problem never arose :(

he was my favourite beatle back in the day because he seemed sad: admittedly the travelling wilburies somewhat weaned me off this

mark s, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Songs abt guitars (esp. yr own guitar) = rockism, no?

Andrew L, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"gently weeps" is terribly patronising, alex (tho more so on paper than on record, i think): "higher guitar-man I feels bad for all you perverted-diverted masses"

mark s, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

songs abt guitars (or any instruments) = not rockist

mark s, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

my mum just shed a tear, she did. and she is the most NON ROCKIST human bean i know. i hate the fucking beatles as all kno, but the death of anyone (okay, most people) is a time to put away petty differences/obsessions. but for some reason all that flashed into my mind when reading the title of this thread was "got my mind set on you" and d. toop's comment in a review (and i'm paraphrasing/butchering): "harrison's proclivities for aetherial bombay psychedelia always made you think he was about to happen upon some trippy new form of pop song writing, only to obscure the results with the dim glow of his simplemindedness." and "taxman" was the only song i skipped everytime on revolver. (except for that tosser ringo's "yellow submarine.") ditto "guitar."

oh, well. at least i'm not as bad as dg.

jess, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Alex - I don't like the guitar on WMGGW. Those are crocodile tears (only a step away from "Crocodile Shoes" by J Nail).

Tom, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tom, wasn't the lead guitar on that version by the vastly over-rated Mr Clapton?

Maybe you should seek out the acoustic version that brought Nick to ears this morning.

David, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm not very fond of the Clapton guitar on WMGGW. But the acoustic version on Anthology is lovely. Also, it has an extra final verse that goes

I look from the wings at the play you are staging
While my guitar gently weeps
As I'm sitting here doing nothing but aging
Still my guitar gently weeps

I think that reinforces the song's sadness over the 'patronising' reading.

Nick, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Pants!

Tears, tears.

David, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Of course WMGGW is Clapton-tainted, which somehow lessens it. That's him soloing in a 'weeping' fashion here and there. I love the cry of "Hey Up" at the start of the track, also the whole bloody thing is out of tune, especially the organ. I rather like this.

Dr. C, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I do not find WMGGW "patronising" and don't hear "crocodile tears" in the guitar play. George expresses his admittedly simple world view in this song. "Flower power" is distilled in this song. It is extremely naive but that's what those years were about. I definitely prefer it to a bland and lyrically poor song like "All You Need Is Love".
I read that he will be laid out according to Hare Krishna tradition with a specific flower (forgot the name) under the tongue. There is something very peaceful, very innocent about him.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

We'll miss you, George.

dleone, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah I thought it might have been Clapton. Well that's good because I'm not speaking ill of the dead, hooray.

"All You Need Is Love" is better because the KLF nicked it.

Tom, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Worth remembering, perhaps, that George saves the day on (the otherwise mostly abysmal) 'Abbey Road' ("Something" and "Here Comes the Sun"--the latter of which was answered very shortly thereafter by the Velvets in "Who Loves the Sun"). Also that "Don't Bother Me" from '64 (?) is a terrific mood piece (I sulk along everytime), and that his little dance moves in the movie 'A Hard Day's Night' (during "I Should Have Known Better") made me wish I was his mother (so *cute*).

scott wods, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So, I'm watching the local newscast this morning, and the news about George Harrison comes on. Just a short clip about his life and times. Cut to a trio of talking heads, all smiley faces, sighing together. One starts murmuring bits of 'Here Comes the Sun' ... and they segue to the weather: "Well, we'll have to wait a day to sing that one, because here in DC it's rain, rain, rain ...."

It's a bit of a naive fantasy to imagine the Beatles' music un-co- opted, free of taint. Likewise, to imagine them religiously, as these pure saints of music. But I almost kicked my television right off its stand.

Chris, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Don't know why, but this sentence in salon.com's obit made me feel a little more sad about the whole thing:

"With Harrison's death, there remain two surviving Beatles..."

scott woods, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

And henceforth, they're not the Threetles but the Tootles

mms, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So, I'm watching the local newscast this morning, and the news about George Harrison comes on. Just a short clip about his life and times. Cut to a trio of talking heads, all smiley faces, sighing together. One starts murmuring bits of 'Here Comes the Sun' ... and they segue to the weather: "Well, we'll have to wait a day to sing that one, because here in DC it's rain, rain, rain ...."

If you think that's bad, on my local news they segued from the story of George's death by having the deeply dippy bimbette newsreader say, "Well, speaking of music, Riverdance is coming to town!".

I am not a huge fan of the Beatles by any means, but GH probably wrote most of the songs of theirs that I do like.

Nicole, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

try driving to work listening to the local news channel and hearing the weather goober "cleverly" insert beatles song titles into his forecast ("going to be sunny and clear EIGHT DAYS A WEEK (wink, wink, GET IT??)") gah.

jess, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

that should be his ENTIRE FORECAST. one per line.

jess, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Here Comes The Sun always made me cry for some reason. Erm, he was great and funny and I can't really say more but he'll be missed.

Bill, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Love You To, I Want To Tell You, Long Long Long, Here Comes The Sun, Something ... yes, probably my favourite too.

Jeff W, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Fate keeps taking the most talented of the Beatles before their time. Just watch: Ringo will be next.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ringo's a fantastic actor, haven't you seen Caveman?

Ally, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, come on! When We Was Fab, All Those Years Ago, Got My Mind Set On You, the Travelling Wilburys. The man hasn't been good - or fab - in decades. I know I shouldn't speak ill of the dead, but fuck it. I have a bit of a go at him on http://swishcottage.blogspot.com

David Sim, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, sure, I haven't really much enjoyed Harrison's output in a while, but are you seriously implying that Macca has done anything worth listening to in that same period? I mean, sheesh, "The Girl is Mine" is far worse than anything Harrison did.

Sean Carruthers, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I read your piece, David. Referring to him as a "fucker" was a nice bit of writing. Oh, and "died in Los Angeles, by the way" was deep. What a clever boy you are!

dan, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Erm, wasn't he a guitarist or something as well?

I was just listening to the white album in awe a couple days ago. Rest easy.

sundar subramanian, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm with Dan. I mean, David makes it sound like it's wishy-washy or something to remember someone who's passed away for the better things they did. If the first thing you think of when you hear the words 'George Harrison' is "Got My Mind Set on You," then I don't think the problem is with George necessarily. And to suddenly no longer be obsessed with the Beatles because it's no longer 1966 or something...I'm lost.

s woods, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yeah - it's funny the way almost everyone is only talking about the songs he wrote and not those he played on. Rockists!

Nick, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No, he wasn't my favorite beatle... but he was definitely my favorite beatle guitar player. All that stuff on "And Your Bird Can Sing"... the cool solo on "Nowhere Man"... he was a tasty, understated and sometimes brilliant guitar player, and for all of his sitar jangling, I think he would be happy to be remembered as just a really good guitar player. Plus, I bet there's probably at least 4 or 5 major gods who are just lining up to invite him into their heavenly kingdoms.

andy, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Bloke behind the counter in my local CD library is wearing a black armband, bless him.

stevo, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Long, Long, Long" - yes, I love that as well. His best work. I always try to like "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" but the song structure is just too proto-AOR (as MacDonald noted). "Something" and even "Here Comes The Sun" never lose their charm for me either.

Of course all his later work was dire AOR, but curiously I find his view of the world more appealing now than I ever did in life. Whether this is just not-wanting-to-speak-ill business I don't know, but it does have some resonance. I like "My Sweet Lord" as well.

"the only world I know" - Nick, I take this to be a world of social mobility and flexibility not hidebound by traditional class boundaries. And it *was* the 60s generation that founded that world, and the Beatles were the band most definitive of that time, so I really can't argue with that.

Robin Carmody, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

when i was a young lad, I always liked that demo on anthology 1, "you know what to do"...direct and pretty... also his monologues on the bbc tapes. sigh...

dave k, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Sometimes, some people just don't like George Harrison's music. I think that's a fair criticism, whether it's While My Guitar Gently Weeps (which is terribly overrated - I think it's a dirge, and it makes me want to weep, very hard) or Got My Mind Set On You. I like What Is Life. That's about it for Harrison. I don't think it's unfair to just not like someone's songwriting style, I won't suddenly like him because he's dead, you know. I'm sorry he died the way he did, it's quite terrible.

Ally, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Dignity through inactivity! Cloud Nine notwithstanding, he could be the '60s legend-type that did the least harm to his rep in the past quarter-century by just doing little (musically at least; his filmwork was top drawer -- time bandits!).

WMGGW with forceful, "serious" Slowhand solo is a blight. Isn't It a Pity is an overlooked gem and Long x3 is the pick of the Beatles litter.

scott p., Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

you know, we get bombarded by the media all the time with bullshit, like 'something' is the greatest love song, so sez sinatra, etc, so no one's mentioned this song, but the fact remains, press or no press (and sometimes i prefer the latter), it is a great great song, beautiful and awesome in its structure and melody, good on ya george, you'll never be forgotten for that, not to mention 'within you without you', cool that you saw the value in eastern music, paved the way for talvin singh et al, at least the acceptance as such, remember, like george did, music is love.

karmik guy, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i scroll too fast... (re:somthing)

karmik guy, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm glad everyone's remembering Long Long Long as i always thought it was highly underrated. But did anyone think Taxman was a bit gripey "Oh God! Must I really help pay nurses?"

dog latin, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So did I, Latin, but its value is that it cuts through all the simplistic "Beatles = Wilsonian" bullshit.

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Underrated songwriter, frustrated guitar player, ageing curmudgeon whose only public pronouncements are occasional pot-shots at contemporary pop... my kind of fellow.

Great sadness and sympathy: the 'sadness' Mark S talks of is absolutely there, for me, and must ultimately be a profound part of what Harrison 'means'.

Nicky D's ('historical / generational') tears are moving too (and not just cos wept on a bus): the death of a Beatle is a loud, dark bell tolling for us all.

the pinefox, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the death of a Beatle is a loud, dark bell tolling for us all

Death only happened with this? Astounding! Weird hallucinations I've been having saying otherwise, then.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

seven years pass...

Now some love for George.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 18 September 2009 08:43 (fourteen years ago) link

some lovely understated songs. the instrumental "what is life" is one of my favourite! things! ever!
can't forgive him for Taxman though.

tomofthenest, Friday, 18 September 2009 09:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I want to do "Top ten George Beatles guitarness moments" but I've not got anything to hand to confirm who played what so I shant yet.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 18 September 2009 10:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I know, someone could easily go "yeah, that solo on Taxman" for instance.

Mark G, Friday, 18 September 2009 10:11 (fourteen years ago) link

hahahaha, yes, BUT there are a couple of things I'm thinking of suggesting where I have doubt in my mind over whether it was Lennon or Macca instead.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 18 September 2009 10:17 (fourteen years ago) link

What top ten can we do for Lennon? Songs? Vocals performances?

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 18 September 2009 10:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Lyric?

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 18 September 2009 10:24 (fourteen years ago) link

The way Lennon's and Harrison's guitars tumble, twist, and turn around the vocal lines in "She Said, She Said." Plus, George plays bass on it.

leavethecapital, Friday, 18 September 2009 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

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vulva eyes (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 September 2009 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...

I know this is John's, but George steals the clip. Happy birthday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz7IjXu0DfQ

clemenza, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 14:31 (ten years ago) link

such a great clip. pretty much everyone who's in it steals it.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 18:47 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

L.A. Gently Weeps as George Harrison Tree Is Felled by Beetles

LOS ANGELES — A tree planted in memorial to late Beatles guitarist George Harrison following his death in Los Angeles in 2001 has been killed by bark beetles amid California's epic drought, a local official said on Tuesday.
The pine tree, which was dedicated with a plaque to Harrison at the head of a hiking trail in the city's Griffith Park, was among a number of trees that have succumbed to the beetles this year, City Councilman Tom LaBonge said.
"It was weakened by the drought, bark beetles just attacked it. It had a quick demise," LaBonge said. "I happen to hike every day in Griffith Park and the tree just turned a bad corner this year."
The sapling had grown to 12 feet in height by the time it was discovered dead in June and removed by city workers, he said, adding that Harrison's widow, Olivia, had been notified.
LaBonge said he expected to see a new tree planted in remembrance of Harrison in the fall.
Harrison, who was born in Liverpool in 1943, gained international fame as the Beatles lead guitarist, penning such songs as "Here Comes the Sun," "Something" and "While My Guitar Gently Weeps."

mizzell, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 19:37 (nine years ago) link

Its a bad idea for trees to turn corners, bad or otherwise

Mark G, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link

If George had been alive he'd have blamed Paul.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link

surprised they didn't come up with a more pun-filled headline like "Former Beatle Wife Barks at Latter Bark Beetles" or whatever

Darin, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 20:25 (nine years ago) link

Original NME post on that

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ibyxd2.jpg

a curious shade of pale (onimo), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link

Blow away

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link

They should name the new tree "Feorge" as in; False George...

bodacious ignoramus, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 00:16 (nine years ago) link

wasn't he a devoted gardener? sad!

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 00:54 (nine years ago) link

it shoulda been a (gently) weeping willow.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 01:28 (nine years ago) link

man, Eleanor bron tho

your favourite misread ILX threads (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 02:47 (nine years ago) link

I spent so much time
Thinking baout Eleanor Bron
Saying "I can say no more."

I Don't Zing Like Nobody (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 10:31 (nine years ago) link

Am I alone in thinking George would have loved the irony?
I had Revolver on for the first time in ages the other day - Taxman is all time top 5 Beatles for me, I think, the melody is so elastic and sardonic. McCartney's solo so good they used it twice. And Love You To must have sounded like a transmission from Mars in 1966.

MatthewK, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 11:13 (nine years ago) link

So many of George's Beatle songs sound better now than they did. WY&WY obv, even "Don't bother me" !

Mark G, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 12:36 (nine years ago) link

I always liked "Don't Bother Me." I never understood its reputation as awkward or not fully-realized; I vastly prefer it to a few other things on WTB, particularly "Not A Second Time."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 13:27 (nine years ago) link

B-b-but the Aeolian cadences!

brimming with misplaced confidence (Phil D.), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 13:30 (nine years ago) link

Get one bass, morans!

I Don't Zing Like Nobody (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 13:39 (nine years ago) link

apparently, this was a #1 hit, which gives me faith in...something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXZPztcGaY

Dominique, Thursday, 24 July 2014 03:33 (nine years ago) link


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