Husker Du : Classic or Dud, Search and Destroy.

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Bought the 2xLP of Zen Arcade years ago having never heard of the band, and never looked back.

Fucking classic, even now. The only album that's not up to scratch is Candy Apple Grey.

"Brick on your head, 'cause you're a fuckhead" to the naysayers.

Sasha (sgh), Friday, 8 April 2005 05:41 (nineteen years ago) link

"Diane"! So good! "Green Eyes"! So good! "I Will Never Forget You"! So good! "Eight Miles High"! Beyond Fucking Classic! C'mon ILM, Do the Du! it's make you want to scream really loud Aaaarrrrrrrggggghhhhh until you are hoarse, what's not to like?

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 8 April 2005 06:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"Diane" is ridiculously good. I was happy to play that on the air on college radio once or twice just the way I had first heard it myself on the radio!

It occurs to me now Warehouse is the one, that was the name of only album of Husker Du I had. It was about 60% enjoyable as I recall.

The singles were always good, don't get me wrong...Eight Miles High was great too. I heard their version of that before anyone else's, actually. I don't feel cheated by that at all.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 8 April 2005 06:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"If only they had turned the bass, snare and kick drum up a bit post-Zen Arcade, they would have sounded ten times better."

That was the Hated's theory, anyway...

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 8 April 2005 07:35 (nineteen years ago) link

can't you push the bass upfront in the mix when you remaster a record? not exactly the equivalent of turning it up or whatever but still it doesn't look like remastering will be done anytime soon.

Incidentally, listening to DNA and sirone late last year made me realize how the bass could work and what a blind spot that was for me even though those aren't exactly rock. I haven't heard 'zen arcade' in ages so i should revisit this.

(thanks sundar, that must've been one of my v first posts on ilm though for better or worse I could never use a word like 'quality' or 'integrity' again nor 'influence' or 'emotion' without explaining it)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 8 April 2005 07:54 (nineteen years ago) link

It's weird to see the love for "Diane". Great music, but the wording of the lyrical content really bothers me.
Yes, Goddammit, where is the love for NEW DAY RISING. Spectacular from end to end, even errr... the less than spectacular parts. Title track is bliss.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Friday, 8 April 2005 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I think New Day Rising is my favorite too but I like them all so who knows. Newest Industry and Chartered Trips are my favorite songs though. I remember getting Metal Circus in high school and being totally freaked out by Diane. The production on the later records bothers me way more than on the early stuff. In fact I don't notice it at all up through New Day Rising.

dan. (dan.), Friday, 8 April 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

GAH! WHY DOES THIS THREAD EVEN EXIST??? How anyone could say "dud" to Husker Du is something I simply can't fathom. Let's put it this way, the live version of "Divide and Conquer" on The Living End on its own is BETTER THAN THE ENTIRE CATALOG OF YOUR FAVORITE BAND!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 8 April 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, that's three cups of coffee talkin'.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 8 April 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

What if my favorite band is Killing Joke?

SmartArse, Friday, 8 April 2005 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

The Living End, then Zen & Rising, broke my brain &, in essence, birthed my full-on indie wuv when I first heard them 10+ years ago (w/ Sugar serving as the womb). Then I went through a phase where I disowned Husker. Then I felt a little nostalgic (& glommed onto Everything Falls Apart, because it sounded fresh to me). Then I TOTALLY disowned them. Now, I think I'm ambivalent & nostalgically curious, tho I don't think I'll ever hear what I heard way back when now, which is to be expected, but still disappointing. Not that I really need to hear them ever again - I can probably bring up any song from those 2 records at any time in my noggin. Except for the cat skinning one (which I really like). And "59 Times The Pain" can go trip on a bear trap.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex, I'll see yr "Divide & Conquer", raise you "Hardly Getting Over It", & then go all in w/ "Books About UFOs".

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, WTF w/ destroying "The Baby Song"!?!?!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha - thanks to thinking about "The Baby Song", I now have "Flexible Flyer" stuck in my head! Yay!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Every single thing the band did was great. Even the not great stuff.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Yup, they are so far "Classic" they're off the scale. Too much to search, too few to destroy.

bg, Friday, 8 April 2005 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm. Divide & Conquer...I remember that one being really good too. *scratches head, pondering* Maybe I'm due for a Husker re-listen of some kind. It would be fun to make my own comp of them.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm totally wearing a big eye-piercing orange New Day Rising shirt today

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, I need to get Flip Your Wig again. I had it on tape, and now it's lost. With songs like "Hate Paper Doll", they're the only hardcore punk band that could have a Broadway musical based around their songs.

(Did I just say that?)

Also, Greg Norton, being the most underrated member of the band, is such a great bassist. I walk around most days with a loop of "Statues" running on repeat in my brain.

Any coincidence that this thread has been revived just after that special sometime in April when we add another hour?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 8 April 2005 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Much of Bob Mould's post-Du career has left me cold; and much of the reason is his reluctance to SHRED! Maybe he's just a contrary bastard who refuses to play guitar solos to piss off a receptive audience for them, same as 20 years ago when his willingness/ability to play 'em no doubt offended punk-purist morons. If so, that's amusing & admirable in a way, but musically unfortunate, since we're talking about one of the most thrilling Flying V-specialists of all time. Just one all-out shred-fest per album is all I ask, save it for the very last song, just like in the old days, with his old band. The old days, when you could buy a Husker Du rec and be assured of getting, in addition to a Mould ax-travaganza, (1) a beautiful cover; (2) a weird instrumental or near-instrumental, and (3) any number of unforgettable songs, in a roughly 60-40 split between Mould and Hart songs, with Grant Hart making up for the imbalance by always contributing my own personal LP-highlight, each time, each album out. (Said band being an unquestioned CLASSIC, in case you need to ask.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 8 April 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Up through Flip Your Wig, pretty much flawless (incl. the early hardcore stuff IMO)...after that, spotty, although I'm enough of a sap to be really moved by "These Important Years"...

Sugar's Copper Blue is better than the last Husker records, though, whoever said that was OTM.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 8 April 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

it has to be classic b/c the world would not be the same w/o Bob Mould and his guitar and his voice. he's a singularly special gay man, so any album is a classic b/c it contributes to the future. but i can't/don't listen to any husker du album b/c the lyrics are so dumb and the sounds now are too obvious dramatic angst - its like hetal metal ballads at times. classic dud?

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Some nice tunes, though, no?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

husker du's lyrics were plainspoken, direct and often simple and child-like, and sometimes just kinda clunky and prosaic, but they weren't dumb, not most of the time anyway. at their best, whether on hart's "never talking to you again" or mould's "something i learned today," they expressed deep emotion through simple language, which is to say they were making great pop music. and, hell yeah, there some nice tunes too.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

that's a different perspective FCC. I'll have to take a fresh listen.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes!!! I've finally *got* Husker Du. New Day Rising simply for the title track and Girl Who Lives on Heaven Hill. As for Sugar, Beaster is amazing, see Titled for the definition of relentless, but Copper Blue and FUEL leave me a bit cold.

Ben Dot (1977), Saturday, 9 April 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Classic.

Search: side one of New Day Rising, played in the sequence it was released

Destroy: "Reoccurring dreams", "The Baby Song", about half of Warehouse: Songs & Stories.

Snnap Dragon (snnap dragon), Saturday, 21 May 2005 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Utmost classicness. New Day Rising, Zen Arcade, and Candy Apple Grey are my favorites, so definitely search. Warehouse is probably my least favorite, but certainly nowhere near 'destroy' status. In fact, its better than a lot of bands' best works. And, yes, The Living End is a corker.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Saturday, 21 May 2005 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Damn, no mention yet of the greatest Husker Du song of all? I'm talking about "Up in the Air." Oh yes. Sweet, sweet soaring psychedelia that gives me kaleidoscope eyes and makes me bliss the fuck out. And what about the cascading, hectic euphoria of "You're a Soldier"? No love for that? Jesus, what's the matter with you people?

Blightersrock (Da ve Segal), Sunday, 22 May 2005 08:14 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Husker Du were awesome, and Grant is a great songrwriter, but nothing compares to "Copper Blue!" Full of great songs, and I love Bob's twangy voice when it's overdubbed 50 times. I think the Warner Bros. Du albums are the best, Warehouse has to be the greatest double album of all time. She Floated Away, Ice Cold Ice, Actual Condition, It's not Peculiar, too many great tunes to mention. Anyone who hasn't heard these should download them IMMEDIATELY! I'm looking forward to Bob's new one, Body of Song. Has anyone else pre ordered a copy? Husker rules! And Paul Westerberg was nothing but a pair of pretty cheekbones :P

Rena Navarro, Sunday, 17 July 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

So here's a question that I've had for twenty years:

Why is it that on the inside of Zen Arcade it says "All songs written by whoever sings it except for "Someday" that Grant wrote"?

Didn't Grant also sing it, so it would still fall under "song written by singer" rule?

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah, I see it's the only song with lyrics on the album that has two songwriters. Still, Grant Hart sang a song that he wrote.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link

ahem, Bob Mould was a writer for WCW, not WWF.

and, classic - new day rising (the song). fucking great.

shanissey, Thursday, 1 November 2007 08:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Classic. Nothing beats the first side/half of New Day Rising.

Jazzbo, Thursday, 1 November 2007 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Classic. Those SST records are timeless

steampig67, Thursday, 1 November 2007 17:32 (sixteen years ago) link

They could at least have given Greg one of these weird credits like "Yoko: Wind" to beef up his instruments line.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 1 November 2007 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Oops, wrong thread.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 1 November 2007 17:42 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdFryHOAmlQ

Fiendish Doctor Wu! (kingfish), Friday, 29 June 2012 05:58 (eleven years ago) link

Would love to see a copy of the insert from Land Speed record. It had a list of bands that people should check out. It has always stuck in my head that there was a band listed called the Maggot Brains listed which had me wondering about the array of influences on original US punk bands, though it could have just sounded like a good name and only have distant connection to the Funkadelic lp.

I love the band just as they're heading into the psychedelic stuff so Zen Arcade & New Day Rising and the live in London dvd which has me as a skinny 17 year old thrashing about. Probably also Metal Circus though I haven't heard it in ages. & definitely live sets from late 83- around 86.

Stevolende, Friday, 29 June 2012 10:13 (eleven years ago) link

I also love the Bob Mould '89 tour stuff that was recorded with Tony Maimone and Anton Fier as a rhythm section. Think there may have been a 2nd guitarist for some of that too.
Not sure what exactly is in circulation but do really like it.

The one time I saw Sugar I was so bored I started reading the book that was in my pocket.

Stevolende, Friday, 29 June 2012 10:34 (eleven years ago) link

There's a how to buy the Huskers in the new Brian Jones cover Mojo as I discovered minutes after my last posting. Thought there must be an edition due so looked it up and lo and behold.

Stevolende, Friday, 29 June 2012 10:40 (eleven years ago) link

with money?

contenderizer, Friday, 29 June 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

New day rising

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2013 14:42 (ten years ago) link

That was way back when it was merely a rumour though

trippin' on brostep beats (NickB), Friday, 2 August 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link

Re: "I Will never forget you" - talk about feeling something intensely!

More Than a Century With the Polaris Emblem (calstars), Friday, 2 August 2013 14:53 (ten years ago) link

Ah, thank you Nick, hold on here...

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2013 14:56 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

On Amtrak train now stopping in Redwing, MN. Wondering if maybe Greg Norton will be visible out the window.

before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 14:35 (nine years ago) link

i loved Workbook when I was 19 or so, See A Little Light still makes my heart sing tbh

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 29 April 2024 20:47 (one week ago) link

It's a great song - it ought to be a standard and reinterpreted in myriad ways.

birdistheword, Monday, 29 April 2024 20:49 (one week ago) link

i just searched the lyrics and realized "listen there's music in the air" not "listen there's music in me, yeah"

loooooool i am always so close

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 29 April 2024 20:58 (one week ago) link

Is it a challops to say I prefer Grant’s body of work? I think his solo records blow Bob’s away.

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 29 April 2024 21:08 (one week ago) link

not on ILM!!

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 29 April 2024 21:08 (one week ago) link

(I mostly agree)

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 29 April 2024 21:08 (one week ago) link

Solo albums, yes. I love those two and a half Sugar albums though.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 April 2024 21:27 (one week ago) link

Me too

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 03:20 (one week ago) link

Is it a challops to say I prefer Grant’s body of work? I think his solo records blow Bob’s away.

I've always felt, in HD, Bob was more constant, Grant's highs were higher - but I'm not so sure anymore. As I grow older the bravery of Too Far Down and the maturity of Hardly Getting Over It put a lot of Grant's stuff in the shade, though my favourite HD song is probably still Pink Turns To Blue. And I think there are some remarkable, brilliant Grant solo songs (and Nova Mob, too), but again I don't feel like any of them are consistently brilliant, where Bob has Workbook, Copper Blue and Beaster, which are brilliant throughout.

Big Bong Theory (stevie), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 07:58 (one week ago) link

Whether you prefer one or the other, the amazing thing is that we have both — two truly gifted songwriters in one loud tiny three person package (no shade to Greg)

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 12:48 (one week ago) link

There's definitely a good bit of stuff I like from their post-Hüsker Dü careers, especially Sugar, but otherwise I found their solo work to be extremely uneven (moreso Mould). I love Sunshine Rock but if it's my favorite Mould solo album, it didn't really have much competition. I was hoping they'd both get a well-curated anthology covering their respective careers. Mould did get one of his post-Hüsker, pre-Sugar years that's sort of okay (not a lot of ground covered though), and several years ago he put out that gargantuan box set that's way too much.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:28 (one week ago) link

I listened to New Day Rising today just for fun and would like to report that Greg brings A LOT to this band, so absolutely no shade on him whatsoever.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:31 (one week ago) link

totally, Greg rules, also the most stylish member

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:35 (one week ago) link

Absolutely - it's possible he's the most accessible element in their music. Like he'll come up with a really tuneful hook or just make something that much more danceable.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:35 (one week ago) link

Like here - his bass part is the earworm of this number:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7gbdTJxWFs

birdistheword, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:36 (one week ago) link

Yes, that song specifically!! he adds the bounce and the groove -- love Greg <3

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:37 (one week ago) link

"two truly gifted songwriters in one loud tiny three person package..."

Been trying to reply with a joke response to this of GN shaking his fist and going "Every time, I tell ya!", but not sure if the way it sounds in my head fits the context here.

pplains, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:38 (one week ago) link

and several years ago he put out that gargantuan box set that's way too much.

I mean tbf it's absolutely everything.

I still really like a lot of "hubcap", a particularly sour and satisfying Mould breakup album.

Big Bong Theory (stevie), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 19:51 (one week ago) link

This is an excellent overview of Bob's solo career: https://www.discogs.com/release/19496299-Bob-Mould-Distortion-The-Best-Of-1989-2019

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 20:33 (one week ago) link

haha someone posted this on a vinyl group I hang out in #onethread

https://i.imgur.com/4qtCWjXl.jpg

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 20:42 (one week ago) link

This is an excellent overview of Bob's solo career: https://www.discogs.com/release/19496299-Bob-Mould-Distortion-The-Best-Of-1989-2019

Thanks! Will check that out

birdistheword, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 20:47 (one week ago) link


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