Is there not yet a thread for DRIVE, the forthcoming Ryan Gosling vehicle (geddit)?

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everyone otm about this movie.

Hey, this interview with Elvis Mitchell is fun. Refn talks a good amount about his love for Pretty Woman.

http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt/tt110921nicholas_winding_ref

for Gukbe:

Fake toughness, fake sentimentality, fake style infected by Michael Mann. Brooding existential stuntman and petty criminal Ryan Gosling is so laconic and cool, he’s inadvertently comic. This second-rate actor occasionally drops his Steve McQueen impersonation and lets slip Mickey Rourke’s old smile.

I was thinking yesterday, Rourke would have been the one to play this role in the early 80s.

second-rate actor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyDJpE00pM

fake style infected by Michael Mann

haven't seen Drive but gtf this is mean, Refn's better than Mann already

Mega challops

i have never and will never forgive Mann for Heat, the dude is a fucking stillborn academic hack

Haven't seen this either, basing most of my disdain off of Bronson, but that quote's basically true, right? Drive looks like a Mann pastiche.

awww Bronson is cute and alive, far from perfect but

why the disdain?

tryin to think of things that are not to love about 'heat'

it crams 20 minutes of banal story into 3 hours, it centres around a confrontation that doesn't really happen between 2 actors 10 years past their best, it hates women, it has that fucking hilarious line about closure

Felt like a well-made student film. All those Kubrick nods. Like it was trying just REALLY hard to be this cool, arty violent cult film. Just found it obnoxious.

xp

i watched it in the cinema with friends and didn't have the heart to walk out halfway thru

Xpost about about Bronson.

yeah i guessed :)

dunno if i cd argue with most of those criticisms but as i say i thought its chutzpah and Tom Hardy carried it well past its deficiencies, plus a lot of its world felt real to me, i was sympathetic

'nother discussion about whether a movie can 'hate' anything tbh, cf wilde on a book being either well written or badly written, nothing more

the women thing was a snide minor niggle about Mann aside tbh, most of my objections are purely writerly

i enjoy stuff that isn't "about" anything, i enjoy epic mode, i like shiny bright cinematography, i just think Mann takes the deadest bits of all these things and then deadens them some more.

he's not as bad as Christopher Nolan tbf

yeah nolan should make christmas tree baubles tbh

this was p boring eh.

someone's already made the point somewhere in this thread but it really should've been kill rather than drive. i liked the killings though, so there's that.

ryan gosling is never actually going to act again is he? just going to be dreamy in stuff.

nv on the mark ^ i haven't seen this b/c i hate movies that don't talk

xxp

Nolan and Mann cd maybe be cool directors of other people's scripts, Refn's might be trying to do studied cool but ends up feeling more irreverent, sillier and funner imo

refn doesn't hold 20 mins of bad plot together as well as mann, tbh

well i "need" to see Drive i guess. somebody in the pub last night told me that somebody's trying to bring a hilarious law suit against the studio for failing to meet the trade description or something, is that right?

oh i've just found the link upthread

always thought Escape to Victory was most open to being sued on the misleading titles front

Ryan Gosling >>> Mickey Rourke

and not because Gosling is "cute."

rourke was cuter, back in the day

i have never and will never forgive Mann for Heat

haha, you can't forgive him for maybe his best film

btw the Steve McQueenish quote was from Armond, I figured most of you wd know

morbs: whiter than white

Heat might be his best film but I don't think that says a lot about his work, also wd rather watch 5 minutes of Brian Cox than 3 hours of 90s de Niro

Prefer The Insider.

yeah i quite enjoyed that one

3 hrs of nothing tbh

many xposts to Morbs:

Much better.

Saw Drive, loved it. Then watched Bronson, hated it beyond measure

grease me up

Have I seen Ron Perlman in anything else? The head on that guy. Great work.

Refn definitely might have bought the extra second-unit helicopter footage from Collateral for this.

Perlman has been in a lot of stuff so I would say it is likely.

hellboy for a start. subtler performance, slightly less grotesque characterisation.

michael mann is definitely one of the sources of this film's style. "thief" is a pretty blatant intertext, between the faux-tangerine dream soundtrack, the font used for the film's title, etc. but i think there are lots of other sources, mostly dating to the mid 1980s. so i don't think it's fair to say that the whole style derives from michael mann.

i wonder if i'd like this movie a 2nd time around.

"thief is a pretty hit and miss film, isn't it? the dialogue w/ tuesday weld in the freeway-overpass diner sticks out as being particularly poorly written, much like the "sift through the detritus" dialogue between diane venora (sp?) and pacino in "heat." "heat" is a pretty great film though. i'll suspend judgment on "thief" since i haven't seen it in a long time.

"heat" is one of those films that for whatever reason i'd be happy to hate, and the film even gives me reasons to hate it, but i just can't. it's beautifully paced, it really breathes. it's a good 'un.

Those rather explicit Thief aspects aside, I'm not sure this is all that Michael Mann-ish, at least in regards to how it treats its character. Mann seems to favour exploring masculinity and codes of honour, etc..., Drive is a lot more about Travis Bickle-like delusions of grandeur, self-mythology, and psychosis.

and that's just from refn

michael mann would never have made a movie about a guy wearing a satin scorpion jacket

thief's not GREAT but it's pretty good, nicely shot (love the location shooting), big safecracking setpiece is great

This song kindof ruled during the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV_3Dpw-BRY