Is there not yet a thread for DRIVE, the forthcoming Ryan Gosling vehicle (geddit)?

Xpost about about Bronson.

yeah i guessed :)

dunno if i cd argue with most of those criticisms but as i say i thought its chutzpah and Tom Hardy carried it well past its deficiencies, plus a lot of its world felt real to me, i was sympathetic

'nother discussion about whether a movie can 'hate' anything tbh, cf wilde on a book being either well written or badly written, nothing more

the women thing was a snide minor niggle about Mann aside tbh, most of my objections are purely writerly

i enjoy stuff that isn't "about" anything, i enjoy epic mode, i like shiny bright cinematography, i just think Mann takes the deadest bits of all these things and then deadens them some more.

he's not as bad as Christopher Nolan tbf

yeah nolan should make christmas tree baubles tbh

this was p boring eh.

someone's already made the point somewhere in this thread but it really should've been kill rather than drive. i liked the killings though, so there's that.

ryan gosling is never actually going to act again is he? just going to be dreamy in stuff.

nv on the mark ^ i haven't seen this b/c i hate movies that don't talk

xxp

Nolan and Mann cd maybe be cool directors of other people's scripts, Refn's might be trying to do studied cool but ends up feeling more irreverent, sillier and funner imo

refn doesn't hold 20 mins of bad plot together as well as mann, tbh

well i "need" to see Drive i guess. somebody in the pub last night told me that somebody's trying to bring a hilarious law suit against the studio for failing to meet the trade description or something, is that right?

oh i've just found the link upthread

always thought Escape to Victory was most open to being sued on the misleading titles front

Ryan Gosling >>> Mickey Rourke

and not because Gosling is "cute."

rourke was cuter, back in the day

i have never and will never forgive Mann for Heat

haha, you can't forgive him for maybe his best film

btw the Steve McQueenish quote was from Armond, I figured most of you wd know

morbs: whiter than white

Heat might be his best film but I don't think that says a lot about his work, also wd rather watch 5 minutes of Brian Cox than 3 hours of 90s de Niro

Prefer The Insider.

yeah i quite enjoyed that one

3 hrs of nothing tbh

many xposts to Morbs:

Much better.

Saw Drive, loved it. Then watched Bronson, hated it beyond measure

grease me up

Have I seen Ron Perlman in anything else? The head on that guy. Great work.

Refn definitely might have bought the extra second-unit helicopter footage from Collateral for this.

Perlman has been in a lot of stuff so I would say it is likely.

hellboy for a start. subtler performance, slightly less grotesque characterisation.

michael mann is definitely one of the sources of this film's style. "thief" is a pretty blatant intertext, between the faux-tangerine dream soundtrack, the font used for the film's title, etc. but i think there are lots of other sources, mostly dating to the mid 1980s. so i don't think it's fair to say that the whole style derives from michael mann.

i wonder if i'd like this movie a 2nd time around.

"thief is a pretty hit and miss film, isn't it? the dialogue w/ tuesday weld in the freeway-overpass diner sticks out as being particularly poorly written, much like the "sift through the detritus" dialogue between diane venora (sp?) and pacino in "heat." "heat" is a pretty great film though. i'll suspend judgment on "thief" since i haven't seen it in a long time.

"heat" is one of those films that for whatever reason i'd be happy to hate, and the film even gives me reasons to hate it, but i just can't. it's beautifully paced, it really breathes. it's a good 'un.

Those rather explicit Thief aspects aside, I'm not sure this is all that Michael Mann-ish, at least in regards to how it treats its character. Mann seems to favour exploring masculinity and codes of honour, etc..., Drive is a lot more about Travis Bickle-like delusions of grandeur, self-mythology, and psychosis.

and that's just from refn

michael mann would never have made a movie about a guy wearing a satin scorpion jacket

thief's not GREAT but it's pretty good, nicely shot (love the location shooting), big safecracking setpiece is great

This song kindof ruled during the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV_3Dpw-BRY

This song ruled more during the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg0jOpr1Uhk

this was on a single screen here for one, maybe two weeks. the one night i actually made time to go see it with a friend, we got to the box office and were informed the showing we had planned to see was cancelled because "the key broke... and there's no spare key, sorry" i assume the key to the projector room for that theater?? anyway we went and played arcade games for the rest of the nite.

but it was total bummer since i was amped to see it, and after that weekend it hasnt been showing anywhere on this island.

so today i downloaded the screener that's on thepiratebay and watched it. which is kind of funny because (going on comments posted by people who watched the torrent & saw it in the theater) that version has some of the music that was used in the theatrical version, but also a lot of temporary music-- no joke the sparse piano theme from The Social Network was playing during one of the scenes w/ gosling & mulligan eating dinner with the kid!!

there were other times when the music seemed odd & out of place too: like when gosling sees mulligan having car probs in the supermarket parking lot it was this ridiculous, almost melodramatic synth swell that reminded me of the odd music cues in Contempt-- was this in the theatrical version??

i listened to the whole soundtrack album afterwards though and recognized a lot of it, so hard to say what was temp and what stayed in. i also noticed references in this thread to lines that weren't in the version i watched.

anyways, loved what i saw. the opening scene was so fucking good, the way the Chromatics song was used along with the Clippers radio broadcast and the police scanner chatter to totally build and release tension and move the story without any on-screen dialogue. i agree w/ mandee & ade that a 90 minute film like that would have been awesome to watch but i love movies like The American and Le Samourai too and am a total sucker for post-Mann visuals and italo-revival shit too, so I fucking loved this.

another movie i'm surprised hasn't been mentioned along with those two and Taxi Driver, The Driver, and Thief is Point Blank-- one of my favorite movies ever.

this will def turn in to a dorm-room dvd classic in the next decade.

PS- how did gosling's denim jacket fit him THAT good????

for gr80 http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2011-09/15/gq-film-drive-ryan-gosling-style-fashion-costume-design/denim-jacket

the Gosling-Brooks denouement was particularly badly edited/ridiculous. yes, you are going to turn yr back on a gangster w/ a big knife collection.

I finally watched this today on a flight while I was in a weird dreamy cold medicine and travelling induced haze and I really freaking loved it. Thought that Mulligan/her character were the weakest part - there was just nothing there. I loved the feel of the whole thing though it sort of peaked in the very beginning with the great opening scene. I LOVED the music even though it seemed weird and misplaced at times. Going to go look up soundtrack info now because I've had one song stuck in my head all day. I also really liked the end scene after he fought with Brooks and rewound that part about three times. Anyway I thought it was great and now I maybe even like Gosling a lot? He was pretty good in this at least.

I finally watched this today on a flight while I was in a weird dreamy cold medicine and travelling induced haze and I really freaking loved it.

This really would be the perfect movie for a weird dreamy cold medicine and traveling induced haze.

Yeah, I think it was a good choice.

I liked the film but I recoil now from its unnecessary grisliness. It was so good at suggesting a mood that the violence was redundant.

sure wish i'd had some sort of chemical enhancement while i had to sit through this tbh

xp yeah i think that's right.

i look back on this more fondly than i felt while i was actually watching it.

^^ how I felt about Meek's Cutoff

The US DVD release is one of the ugliest last-minute Photoshop rush jobs I've ever seen:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91kjzaYRb0L._AA1500_.jpg

I finally watched this today on a flight while I was in a weird dreamy cold medicine and travelling induced haze and I really freaking loved it.

I just watched this the same way and didn't really like any of it, kind of seemed like shoot the piano player without all the jokes

fork in the eye was a decent joke

really needed to kill Gosling

i gotta say, this movie grew on me big time