actors are mainly idiots [insert exceptions here] [won't take long] [<-- tracer hand, and er that's it maybe]
― mark s, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
other whacked-out theory that makes me smh: "abiotic oil". check it out.
― goole, Tuesday, October 25, 2011 3:21 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
haha I remember reading a theory that we shouldn't have to worry about peak oil because the oil fields are just gonna fill back up again in a few years or so, and that prediction was made by the same guy who correctly predicted that there would be dust on the moon
― dayo, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
it's rhys ifans! what could possibly go wrong
― Once Were Moderators (DG), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not convinced Ifans could write his own name.
― bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
true story: real name is Russell Evanston, stage name was just what the clerk thought he scrawled on his Equity form
― the men who glare at stoats (sic), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
(not a true story)
― the men who glare at stoats (sic), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
Ifans aint bad at all in this, considering
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 01:20 (twelve years ago) link
here's a nutty unsupported theory emmerich totally SHOULD do a movie about:
http://io9.com/5848192/giant-prehistoric-krakens-may-have-sculpted-self+portraits-using-ichthyosaur-bones
― lagerfeld of modern despots (latebloomer), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
People who don't think that Shakespeare wrote his plays are as bad as birthers.
― bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Tuesday, October 25, 2011 3:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
idk wouldnt it just mean another guy was shakespeare
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
idk wouldn't it just mean another birth certificate was obama's
― the men who glare at stoats (sic), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
think abt it
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 04:48 (twelve years ago) link
I don't give a flying fuck who wrote the plays, even if these de Vere ppl are fantasizing.
btw Timothy Spall's son is quite funny as Will, playing him as a lecherous vain drunk.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 11:48 (twelve years ago) link
Has anyone seen Shakespeare's birth certificate? Didn't think so.
Actually, given the subject matter I'm surprised no one has questioned Emmerich's authorship of this film.
I interview the guy once, and he took offense at the idea that all he did was make disaster movies. "Godzilla" is not a disaster movie; it's a giant lizard. "Independence Day" is not a disaster movie; it's about an alien invasion. And so on. But the guy was clearly frustrated at his (lucrative) lot in life.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 12:01 (twelve years ago) link
well, he didn't write the screenplay. The guy who did Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole did.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 13:47 (twelve years ago) link
Much Ado About Ga'Hoole
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
Why didn't you say so! Consider my ticket bought. Is it in 3-D?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 14:28 (twelve years ago) link
legends of anonymous: the bards of stra'tford
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
I'm pretty sure the Sunday NYT piece on Emmerich is the first time a subject's penis folk-sculpture collection has been mentioned in that gray paper.
Anyway, my 2c:
http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/anonymous/5872
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:04 (twelve years ago) link
Your "slant," if you will.
― Food! Trends! Men! Hate! (Phil D.), Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:26 (twelve years ago) link
i kiss you for that review Morbz
― the tune is space, Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
thx doll! I actually think it's like a witless Sherman & Peabody cartoon, but figured the readers wdn't get the ref.
3-1/2 stars from reliable Ebert! (who adds that Shakespeare wrote the plays)
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:57 (twelve years ago) link
is it true the REAL shakespeare wrote the screenplay
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 27 October 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
lippy male ingenues
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 October 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
Thought this was amusing:
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_spectator/2011/10/anonymous_a_witless_movie_from_the_stupid_shakespearean_birther_.html
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 October 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
David Thewlis is exquisitely terrible in this, but I assume the whistling sound he makes through his teeth is intentional.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 October 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
You know, I'm sure this is a POS, but what does it say that Hollywood greenlit and actually made a big-budget movie about the contested authorship of Shakespeare's plays?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 October 2011 13:00 (twelve years ago) link
what DOES it say?
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 28 October 2011 13:18 (twelve years ago) link
it's just riding dan brown's long coat tails, isn't it? "you know this thing you learnt in school that everyone knows? well, it's wrong" <-- passes for high concept in an age when the distrust for established cultural authority is at a high ebb
― mark s, Friday, 28 October 2011 13:24 (twelve years ago) link
But at least Dan Brown had the religious aspect to it, which brings in the rubes. As far as conspiracy theories go, this one is sort of ... high brow. No?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 October 2011 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
shakespeare wrote plays for teh masses, maaaaaan
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 28 October 2011 13:31 (twelve years ago) link
xp for a very weird value of highbrow!
surely it's a way of finding something you can say and think and declare about shakespeare that doesn't require you absorb all that so-called scholarly expertise (or indeed, actually read the plays and poems): it frees him from the clutches of [insert academic/fancypants bugbear here]
also there was that ep of doctor who
― mark s, Friday, 28 October 2011 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
dan brown's "code" was also about "da vinci"
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 28 October 2011 13:36 (twelve years ago) link
shakespeare was jesus, the REAL jesus
― ice cr?m, Friday, 28 October 2011 13:42 (twelve years ago) link
my line on chariots of the gods -- i saw the documentary when it came out in 68-ish, at towyn cinema in mid-wales -- was that people loved the look and the thought of all this ancient stuff, the aztec pictures, the egyptian gold, it was great to look at, and the "pictures of aliens" stuff was an easily grasped "theory" to give you an excuse for talking about it and enthusing and saying "hey folks! look at this stuff, it's AWESOME!"when obviously very few of us have the actual archeological-ethnological chops to know anything about the relics or what they actually meant
so i think these kinds of theories can be consciously (if not particularly helpfully) counter-highbrow: they function as a sort of "set the information free" for historical or literary material -- there was an element of that in dan brown, or more accurately "holy blood, holy grail", which is where his stuff all comes from: it was the first place i ever read anything about the merovingians, for example
(i argued on some other thread -- the one on the Supreme Court? -- that i suspect the fashion among writers like twain and whitman for bacon-wrote-shakespeare was a complicated mix of american counter-highbrow cheek and resistance to the vulgar populism of how shakespeare was actually played in 19th-century new york especially, which was VERY riotous and street)
― mark s, Friday, 28 October 2011 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
I know there's a populist bent to these conspiracy theories and whatnot, but isn't the premise of this film/theory not that anyone can do it, but that Shakespeare couldn't do it because he was a common man and writing plays was the provence of the elite?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:02 (twelve years ago) link
im guessing that's something you can easily read into this movie, but i doubt it's the whole PREMISE
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 28 October 2011 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
what does it say that Hollywood greenlit and actually made a big-budget movie about the contested authorship of Shakespeare's plays?
It's reported to have cost $30 million, a fraction of Emmerich's usual budgets. He also green-screened a ton of it rather than build Elizabethan London. (And the script's been around for 15 years.) So chalk it up to R.E.'s previous gross grosses.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link
It would have been awesome if it was, like, 1/4 Shakespeare mystery and then it fast forwards a few years to the Great Fire of London.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link
The "authorship" thing really isn't what the bulk of the movie is about. Simpleton's version of palace intrigue, bastards' identities, incest etc.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 14:15 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeKjKWXWZOE
― ice cr?m, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
provence is the provence of the elite
― mark s, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
and yes, it's the combination elitism&populism of middlebrow dimwits
― mark s, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
the combination elitism&populism of middlebrow dimwits
New name for the politics thread?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 October 2011 14:25 (twelve years ago) link
From Film Freak Central's review:
In Emmerich's lone gesture to watchability, he gets just about the worst of it out of the way first, panning down from a laughable God's-eye-view of New York City to hone in on a scarf-decked Derek Jacobi strolling importantly into an old theatre with "ANONYMOUS" emblazoned on the marquee. Surely this is meant to signal maturity, trading in Godzilla's Big Apple smash-and-burn for the more academic (!) interiors of Broadway. And probably we're meant to think of the city-symphony of Manhattan, but Emmerich, high as he's aimed, accidentally recreates that moment in "Siskel & Ebert"'s opening credits where the cab driver gives Siskel a too-wide grin and an enthusiastic thumb up. No matter. Jacobi's task: to recite the WIKIPEDIA entry on "Oxfordian theory" to a bunch of chumps who've no doubt paid good money for a bad show, and to advance an alternative origin story for Shakespeare.
Future camp classic in the making right here.
― jer.fairall, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link
Jacobi also wraps things up, strides off, and leaves the audience to buzz and leave (no applause).
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
ouch
― the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
a scarf-decked Derek Jacobi
Isn't that what he looked like in Branagh's Henry V?
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00507/radio_507764a.jpg
it's in his rider
― mark s, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
and this is not even a fictional W.S. "biopic" -- Rafe Spall is in it for about 10 minutes. He seems to kill Marlowe offscreen tho, and crowd-surfs the groundlings.
― Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 October 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
― mark s, Friday, October 28, 2011 9:23 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
should go on the poster.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link