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According to books I've read about the subject - in the late 1970s and early 1980s, Hubabrd retreated into the background, and there was a messy war for control of the organisation, with the winners still holding control now (and as many have said, not the kind of people you want to get in a fight with).

carson dial (carson dial), Sunday, 10 April 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

The whole thing is so fake yet played so seriously, I wish it was just a harmless pop art performance, like a parody of slave morality, but unfortunately it's one real "transvaluation" of healthy instinctive values.

check this out this is so grotesque: thetan = "parasite alien souls that take over you or something", they say it's a good thing to have one ... )

"The first Body Thetan (BT) level, where one is auditing other beings in one's space. Prior to NOTs, also the last BT level. In this, one runs body thetans through two incidents. Incident 2 involved being captured 75 million years ago, frozen, shipped to Earth, taken to a volcano where one was nuked, then captured in a field, implanted with all sorts of horrid goals for 36 days and packaged up as body thetans and clusters (groups of body thetans). These were then given to folks like you and me in gobs. Incident 1 involves a multi-media show with chariots, angels, waves of light and then blackness."


this is so disgusting/reactivity rather than creativity/To foster passivity in people/ To say it's a good thing to be Owned in an unlimited fashion/To foster capitulation, conformity, resignation/To turn backbone into wishbone or worse/Undercut protest, resilience, assertiveness; replacing these with docility, apathy, sheepishness/

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 10 April 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

my exgirlfriend's friend's sister was some kind of personal assistant to tom cruise. my exgirlfriend's friend's sister made a gift of enrollment on some course to my exgirlfriend's friend. that's the closest I've come to scientology, to my knowledge.

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 10 April 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't think they do much marketing to mundanes like us.

walk through the port authority subway station sometime, then.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 10 April 2005 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost - the new Spin has an interview with the afro guy off That '70s Show, he's a big time Sc!entologist. He talks about how he used to be introverted, did 'one two-week course' and never faced it again - what could they do to you in two weeks?

They do market to normal schlubs, too. There's a big center across the main drag at UT-Austin offering personality tests and stuff. I almost took one before someone let me know who they were.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 10 April 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

This book on L. Ron H. is a good read, and quite the eye-opener.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0718127641/qid=1113152889/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-8026674-7307068?v=glance&s=books

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 10 April 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

yea, theres a mob on deansgate in manchester too

charltonlido (gareth), Sunday, 10 April 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"A Piece of Blue Sky" by Jon Attack is a good book about the whole scam.

latebloomer: strawman knockdowner (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 April 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost - the new Spin has an interview with the afro guy off That '70s Show, he's a big time Sc!entologist.

apparently laura prepon is too.

walk through the port authority subway station sometime, then.

oh, every kind of religious nut you can imagine is in that station!

jody the country girl doll (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 10 April 2005 18:55 (nineteen years ago) link

yes but not all of them have marketing materials, displays, tables set up where you can get your own "stress test" or whatever. if they'll market to schlubs in the pa sub station, they'll market to anybody.

(notice i use the word "market" and not "proselytize" - and not just because i can't spell the latter)

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 10 April 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Since no-one seems to really know what Sctlgy's doctrine is, I take it they have a deliberate policy of preventing any information to come out (i.e. if you really wanna know, come inside and we'll show you). Correct?

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Monday, 11 April 2005 11:40 (nineteen years ago) link

if you really wanna know, come inside pay us lots and we'll show you

caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 11 April 2005 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Jason Dohring who played Logan on Veronica Mars. Hmmmmmmm. Crush has just been halved by Xenu.

nathalie, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 12:30 (sixteen years ago) link

He was born into it, though. Small comfort.

Melissa W, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 12:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Apparently his father had Neopets. Whatever that is.

nathalie, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 12:46 (sixteen years ago) link

The idea that Scientology has been around long enough to breed a second generation SCARES ME SHITLESS. Argh. That is all.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 12:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe I could save him from the evil clutches of Scientology. (Cue crush swells to gigantic proportion again.)

But, yes, you are right, second gen scientologist. Freaky.

nathalie, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 12:50 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...

lolz

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link

hooooolleeeeeee shiiiiiiiiiittttt

gff, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link

I wish I could romp and play :(

jim, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link

I watched it last night -- he wasn't acting in Magnolia, was he?

Nicole, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link

he must be stopped

gff, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link

over 1 billion served

Drew Daniel, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link

You can sit here and wish it were different, y'know, I have to do something, don't I, yeah, I have to do it, because I can't do it myself if I don't. And it's... and that really is it.

I don't care if someone thinks it's hard, or easy. You're either helping, or contributing everything you can, or you're not. I'm carrying my load. As much as I'm carrying, I still feel like I gotta do more. All Right? There's still this thing of... Let's Go.

You can just see the look in their eyes, you know the ones that are doing. You know. And you know the spectators, who are the ones that are going 'Well that's easy for you, or what am I doing'. And it's just, that thing is, I've cancelled that in my... area. My... (Laughter) It's like man, you're either in or you're out. Spectator is something that is, we have no time for.

And I think about those people who are depending on... us, and uh, I think about that. And it does make me feel uh like manic (laughter), we got a lot of work. Get those spectators in the playing field or out of the arena. I do what I can, and I do it the way I do everything.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I've cancelled that in my area

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Get those spectators in the playing field or out of the arena

gabbneb, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:37 (sixteen years ago) link

they shot the Cruise interview like he's on Entertainment Tonight

milo z, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Katie Holmes on Letterman last night - I think she's going nuts too. Great legs, tho.

milo z, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:41 (sixteen years ago) link

that part where he claims only a scientologist can help at the scene of a car accident has set the wtf bar for 2008.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Is he saying the rest of us either expect God to do something, or are atheists and don't give a shit?

Kerm, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link

such a horrible person

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost, no he's literally saying that only a Scientologist can do the right thing: silence any chatter from onlookers that could result in the formation of body engrams, and stop any 'doctors' from administering narcotics or painkillers to the victim

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link

"There's only one explanation for it, and it's not a human one. It's the same power that helped a little boy with two fish and five loaves feed a crowd of five thousand people."

gabbneb, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link

If there's anything better than 9 straight minutes of hearing the Mission Impossible theme on loop, it's hearing Tom say he wishes he could "romp and play". When I heard that I had an image of him dressed as Little Lord Fauntleroy prancing around in a garden.

get bent, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link

It's the same power that helped a little boy with two fish and five loaves feed a crowd of five thousand people.

? Jesus was not a little boy when this was purported to have happened.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link

oh man that is some grim viewing. what a fuck-up.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah i could listen or watch but not both

gff, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link

was the mission impossible theme in the original version or has it been added for lols? it was driving me insane anyway.

"Get those spectators in the playing field or out of the arena" -- so chilling.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link

sp's, the lot of you

mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link

read these if you don't know what an SP or FAIR GAME is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_%28Scientology%29

chaki, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link

You've got to be kidding me, unreal-I find this shit somewhat frightening.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link

http://cover6.cduniverse.com/MuzeVideoArt/02/145602.jpg

get bent, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:14 (sixteen years ago) link

megalomania is always frightening

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link

It's just like 'pkugh'. And I'm thinking, you know, 'pschew'.

Bobbi Peru, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connelly/336316_joel22.html

gabbneb, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I was in Pittsburgh visiting a friend over thanksgiving, and another friend came over with some Sc!entology DVD. It was incredible. Apparently he got it from his roommate, whos uncle was a pretty high level 'tologist, but after the uncle died they kept sending shit to his house.

Anyhow, this DVD was like an infomercial, from what I could piece together, it was 3 hours of persuading people who already had all the currently available books and tapes to rebuy all of that same material on CD.

The main speaker was some guy in a gaudy suit and he was speaking in this giant guilded auditorium, it was huge, with like 70-foot tall projection screens behind him which would show bad computer animation of these CD sets flying over volcanoes and shit. And then it'd show L. Ron's face and play a soundbyte of him saying something like, "You can't unlock only half the secrets of the mind. And even if you could, ho ho, I wouldn't want to, would you? I don't think so..."

And then it'd cut to the audience, tens of thousands of people all in tuxedos and evening gowns, Kirsty Ally and John Travolta right up front, standing and applauding. All I could think was, "That didn't mean anything. He didn't say anything, that was complete gibberish. Fucking gobbledygook and thousands of people are applauding it. What the fuck?"

It was 3 hours of that. Dude saying some nonsense, audience applauds, CGI volcano scene, L. Ron soundbite, audience applauds. Over and over. And on top of it all I was high as shit, that evening had been the first time I had toked in like 9 years. Insane. I need to get that DVD. And some pot.

Helltime Redux, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 21:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I have a recent Church newspaper that leads with a huge picture of the man next to a huge headline pull quote: "Drug residues can stop any mental help. They also stop a person's life!" - L. Ron Hubbard

it's true

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link

i had conversations like this at college parties at 4am with stoned dudes whose names i never did learn.

omar little, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link

"like, you've got to live in the moment, man"

milo z, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

they stole their graphics at the end from the 'starship troopers' commercials

omar little, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link

needs more classes

President Keyes, Monday, 6 November 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link

Thetan trouble.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Monday, 6 November 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link

Louis' Scientology movie sucks. Not even worth watching.

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 6 November 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I was really disappointed by it, think it might be the worst thing he's ever done.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 6 November 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link

thirded, total trash

Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 6 November 2017 21:05 (six years ago) link

huge misfire.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 12:52 (six years ago) link

it just regurgitates info that's already out there for anyone who's watched/read going clear or any of the other many articles/docs about what they do.

the only good bit was the weird paz de la huerta cameo.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 13:09 (six years ago) link

I thought the Miscavige guy was a real find

Number None, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link

The whole thing of them trying to cast people to recreate the information films is so pointless. It goes on for ages and doesn't illuminate anything.

Susan Stranglehands (jed_), Wednesday, 8 November 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link

i think they were hoping for a scientologist infiltrator but it didn't happen

Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Thursday, 9 November 2017 11:10 (six years ago) link

well, louis got absolutely no access, so had to build the film from nothing.
and at times it really felt like it.
you knew things were desperate when he made such a big point over the fact that he could not stand on the road that the church folks insisted was theirs, and it wasn't (as per the last credit in the film).
i have seen more interesting stuff happen between neighbours in my little town.

mark e, Thursday, 9 November 2017 12:56 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

The music in the "Going Clear" film is... not good. "I didn't realise it but I was severly depressed!" *sad theremin*

what if bod was one of us (ledge), Sunday, 21 April 2019 18:56 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

I've been watching the Leah Remini Scientology series (which is now on Netflix). Scientology is such a distillation of everything wrong with America. The overly-legalistic justifications for their behavior. The ludicrous billion-year contracts. The pyramid scheme bullshit going on at every level - buying and then being forced to hawk the stupid books and DVDs in order to progress. The easily-unverified grandiose claims. You get a reminder of those at every commercial break as they show the ridiculous legal disclaimers ("The Church Of Scientology disputes the credibility of those appearing on the program") that I assume Scientology forced them to display.

DJI, Thursday, 17 December 2020 03:52 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

On Sunday we posted a document from a source who claimed it was proof that in recent years #Scientology ran a widespread scam to bury members in credit card debt, calling it the 'Chase Wave.' Now 2 recent defectors come forward, on the record, to confirm they were swept up in it.

— Tony Ortega (@TonyOrtega94) November 16, 2021

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 19:41 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Who better to contribute to talk about the subject than a new king of sketchiness, mysteriously returned to Twitter after half a year away?

Here’s the intro to my piece about Scientology which comes out tomorrow.

If you want to read it first and support my work, click the link below to subscribe.https://t.co/BmSiwi9WTj pic.twitter.com/ZyzC62lUDm

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) January 27, 2022

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 January 2022 05:14 (two years ago) link

nine months pass...
one year passes...

So weird

https://tonyortega.substack.com/p/shelly-miscavige-more-about-the-place

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 February 2024 14:17 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

You need to be an LA Times subscriber to read it but none of this is surprising.

Submitted in a downtown Los Angeles court as part of a years-old civil lawsuit against Scientology, the document referenced a purported effort by the church to “derail” the criminal proceedings against Masterson.

“Defendants and their agents engaged in a campaign of harassment and intimidation directed at one of the prosecutors assigned to Defendant Masterson’s trial,” the declaration from civil attorney Simon Leen read. “That prosecutor’s home and car windows were broken, the prosecutor’s home electronics were tampered with, and Defendants’ agents surveilled the prosecutor....

But it was not the first time the church was quietly — and publicly — accused of attempting to interfere in Masterson’s years-long legal saga.

In a speech last fall, L.A. County Deputy Dist. Atty. Reinhold Mueller delivered remarks that contained allegations nearly identical to those from the lawsuit, according to a video reviewed by The Times.

In the speech, given after he received an award for his work on the Masterson case, Mueller told hundreds of colleagues, including former Dist. Atty. Jackie Lacey, about a pattern of disturbing incidents he allegedly experienced in late 2022, ahead of the sitcom star’s first trial.

Mueller said he was “run off the road” and that his home was vandalized, according to the video. He also said that cellular and internet service had been inexplicably knocked out at his residence.

LAPD detectives on the case were also “stalked,” Mueller said in the video, and had their “photographs taken while they were off-duty.”

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 April 2024 18:21 (one month ago) link

at my former house, there was an unassuming-looking guy who lived across the street with his wife. my understanding is he was a former scientology member. this guy was just an HVAC repair guy, driving an old blue van, living in a very basic gray stucco duplex probably about 700 sq ft in size. he would have scientology foot soldiers coming by once per week, knocking on his door, peering in his windows, walking around the back trying to see if he was around. a couple times he answered the door and reluctantly (or so it appeared) let them in. they'd always show up in teams of two or three. it was one of those really creepy glimpses into their endeavors, like if they'd devote that much time to one random guy how much effort would they put into more important figures?

omar little, Thursday, 4 April 2024 19:10 (one month ago) link

knowing what we know now, it's just insane to me that anyone would voluntarily join this 'church'

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 4 April 2024 19:19 (one month ago) link


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