― Emma, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Tabloid Independent, now there is an idea.... Broadsheets of course are full of endless so called analysis which keep them going. There really is only so much news as BBC News 24 have found out to their cost.
― Pete, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
We had a big scary meeting with my editor, our managing editor, their chief sub and their editor. During the meeting my flies came undone and... hold on I think I've told this story.
― chris, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Very suspicous of metro because, as already pointed out, stories come from the Mail. London could do with a citywide daily to go up against the standard, the manchester evening news would be a good model. Could do with some views from the left in the evening. However the standard seems mainly to be bought by commuters from the more tory home counties. Does anyone who lives in london proper buy it? Actualy to be fair I used to buy it now and then on the way home from work and it used to make me very irate.
― Ed, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
1. its stories seem to come from a general news source / feeding off anything they can find, judging from the resemblance of their stories and the Guardian's.
2. The 60-second interviews are unusually good for what they are. They did LLOYD COLE only last month! LLOYD COLE!!!!!
3. And the letters in the Metro are surprising - they seem to be dominated by sarcastic progressives.
― the pinefox, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I'd be interested how the metro thing works
― Ed, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― masonic boom, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― tarden, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Any newspaper which gave us the story of the fingerknob is a great newspaper in my book (and yet no other paper picked it up. Basically a bloke in Georgia had his knob lopped off so they replaced it with one of his fingers - fitting urinary tract and spunk canal down where the bone would have been. His girlfriend was exceptionally pleased apparently...)
― Pete, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I hate the Mail but do not read it. I think what people mean is they hate the mentality of it and most people who read it seem to agree with it in a way that is not necessarily true of the Sun (i.e the allegedly ironiic reading of it).
― Emma, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― stevo, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Ed's point about Evening Standard readers: of course it has an editor who barely spends *any time at all* in London. No wonder it's a travesty of the paper London deserves.
― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Daily Mail headline: (somethingsomething) boost for KerryTelegraph: Bush prepare victory speech (or something)Independant: (Bush blah blah Kerry etc.)
The Sun: Kat Has Her Kitten!! - Eastenders star Jessie Wallace (Kat) gives birth to baby girl, and named her Tallulah Lilac.
aw.
The Daily Star was great too - TERRORISTS PLOT TO BLOW UP BECKS! - 13 al-qaeda lunatics arrested for plots to blow up the Bernabeu
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― trigonalmayhem (trigonalmayhem), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link
The Guardian's midi-sized one launches next year, I think.
― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 4 November 2004 08:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 4 November 2004 08:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Thursday, 4 November 2004 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link
This is correct. They said they would continue to run both formats as long as it was financially sustainable, or something like that. That was Thursday last week. They announced on the the Sunday that they were to go fully tabloid, or *ahem* compact.
I don't know if it has been mentioned at all here, but the Guardian has announced it will go to European Broadsheet (slightly smaller) in about 2006 (I think this was to do with pressing equipment and availability or suchlike).
The front of the mail vs Independent this morning makes me think (a) I should buy the Indie more (b) I should really insist my mother stops reading the Mail (I have been trying for years).
― 3underscore (___), Thursday, 4 November 2004 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 4 November 2004 09:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Todd Manson, Thursday, 4 November 2004 09:31 (nineteen years ago) link
That Mail front page is beyond depressing.
(Can someone fill me in on this Clarke County thing, I appear to have missed it altogether).
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 4 November 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link
"Family from hell" is an unfortunate thing to put right about that picture. Go Dirty Des!
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 4 November 2004 09:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 4 November 2004 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 4 November 2004 09:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― debden, Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― debden, Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:18 (nineteen years ago) link
1. Whenever Bush is told "you have no mandate for this war" he always replies "you forget Tony Blair."
2. Tony Blair being so uncritically and slavishly behind Bush/the war undoubtedly helped to legitimise the whole enterprise and boost Bush's personal ratings in America.
3. Tony Blair is so uncritically and slavishly behind Bush/the war for the same reason he impersonates a Tory Prime Minister the rest of the time - because he is scared that Middle England will boot him out at the next election.
4. And which newspaper is the most stalwart of backbones for "Middle England"? Why, the Daily Mail.
So really it was the Daily Mail wot won it for Bush.
― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― robster (robster), Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― debden, Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:41 (nineteen years ago) link
MARCH OF THE MORAL MAJORITY
phew! I thought it was gonna say Kat Slater lost her baby daughter or something!
― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:43 (nineteen years ago) link
I disagree with this Marcello - it is pretty much admitted by all quarters that Labour will take the next election. Not necessarily with the comfort of the last (the Lib Dems are aiming at about 80-90 seats, and will probably get quite close), though the key part depends on the Tory performance that doesn't look forthcoming.
Blair's position has now changed - I almost see it that Blair is now more accountable to the Labour party members than to the electorate, mainly as a result of his plan to not stay for a fourth term. The third term is in the bag, and with the majority he will carry the only way for him to be ousted is to lose the Labour party backing. The proximity to Bush may be enough for this in the next few years.
I am actually quite interested to see how Blair and Bush now work. Their motives - neither seeing beyond 2008 most likely - could now adjust somewhat. Both Bush and Blair give a sense of wanting to be legends. I kind of fear where they may go from here, and to who they are accountable.
― 3underscore (___), Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link
If you replaced Bush/Iraq with Europe/asylum I would be 100% in agreement with you. The Mail's political influence goes far beyond party politics.
― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 4 November 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link
'The Victory of the Moral Majority'
― Ed (dali), Thursday, 4 November 2004 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link
I've always had a healthy disgust and anger against the Mail/Sun etc but today's front pages have really upset me. I can't concentrate on anything and I feel even more dispirited than ever. Fuck this country and fuck this sleepwalk into fascism. I never thought I'd see this kind of thing in my lifetime but I was obviously just being naive.
― ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 4 November 2016 11:13 (seven years ago) link
Stop Funding Hate... aka The Daily Mail
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 November 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link
.. hit these cunts where it hurts. More of that please.
yeah keep it up
― imago, Saturday, 12 November 2016 20:16 (seven years ago) link
dismantling the tabloid press is pretty much the #1 priority for uk progress right now (aside from yknow education reform, mental health treatment etc)
corbyn should announce stringent press standards reform, he'd probably gain more support than he loses
― imago, Saturday, 12 November 2016 20:17 (seven years ago) link
dismantling the tabloid press is pretty much the #1 priority for uk progress right now
this
― the fog of "Wha...?" (stevie), Saturday, 12 November 2016 21:15 (seven years ago) link
Hmm.
On the one hand, anyone who speaks out against our red-topped kingmakers will not have a happy political career (though perhaps this can't get any worse than now for Corbyn)
On the other, it's interesting how both sides of the Brexit divide and now the Trump divide blame media misrepresentation: the alt-right's ire for "mainstream media", Trump's remarks on a "rigged press" and angry Brexiteers railing against the MSM while somehow seeing the tabloids as on their side against a conspiracy of metropolitan elites; the anti-Islamic German right's revival of favourite Nazi word "Lügenpresse" (and when I first read it I thought, hmm, yes, useful word for the tabloids, only to look up its history and feel itchy all over), which the internet tells me is now an alt-right buzzword outside Germany too
so maybe people from across the political spectrum could be brought onside, but "moar govt/quango intervention" is going to be hard to sell to the anti-elite and small-govt crowds, and obv the higher-ups know exactly what they're doing with this MSM meme
― a passing spacecadet, Saturday, 12 November 2016 21:45 (seven years ago) link
"So today I had to write abt Jo Cox""Ah that sucks man""Sucks even harder if you work for the Daily Hail, like me""How did you tend to the expectations of yr readership on this very delicate matter?""Immigrants, mate, immigrants. And that her death was her own fault."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyBrtDRXcAA78CG.jpg
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 24 November 2016 13:12 (seven years ago) link
Bold of the Daily Mail to suggest that anyone concerned about immigrants is now a terror suspect.
― nashwan, Thursday, 24 November 2016 13:19 (seven years ago) link
can someone straight up firebomb the daily mail
― imago, Thursday, 24 November 2016 13:30 (seven years ago) link
also, hi theresa, i'm deadly serious
OMG, a Turkish person has a byline on that race-baiting - wonder if making someone w/foreign origins write shit about immigrants is the initiation rite at Dacre Towers?
― jane burkini (suzy), Thursday, 24 November 2016 13:41 (seven years ago) link
The Mail have spent so much time pandering to repulsive right wing extremists they can't suddenly change tack and condemn one who murders an MP in cold blood, oh no.
― calzino, Thursday, 24 November 2016 14:01 (seven years ago) link
How many angry articles have they written about the decline in social housing in the same time period? Just wondering...
― Matt DC, Thursday, 24 November 2016 14:11 (seven years ago) link
If he'd got bedroom taxed or sanctioned out of his home, worrying that the next tenants might be immigrants would be classic fuckwitted legitimate concernism.
― calzino, Thursday, 24 November 2016 14:24 (seven years ago) link
― calzino, Thursday, November 24, 2016 2:01 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
at this point i consider the mail and the sun to be part and parcel of the far right
― lex pretend, Thursday, 24 November 2016 15:49 (seven years ago) link
I don't see any other possible conclusion.
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:11 (seven years ago) link
I can confirm today that following that landmark libel case, Katie Hopkins has entered into an IVA to avoid bankruptcy. I knew for a while but could not say anything for legal reasons. The arbitrary defender of free speech didn't want anyone to know, ironically...— Jack Monroe #bootstrapcook (@BootstrapCook) September 15, 2018
― mark s, Saturday, 15 September 2018 21:41 (five years ago) link
I've just spent the day at the hospital but that's cheered me right up that, thanks
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 15 September 2018 21:59 (five years ago) link