Brave -- Pixar's 2012 release

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Indeed, Rapunzel was officially inducted into Disney's highly marketable princess line in a live ceremony with a weird plastic-faced model:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20111003005892/en/Rapunzel-Welcomed-10th-Disney-Princess-Watched-World%E2%80%99s

i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

rapunzel was a princess in tangled, she'd just been raised by a broadway witch her whole life and didn't figure out she was a kidnapped princess until the end.

what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

Man I am super tired of storylines about how the world's first feminist wants to get to fight or whatever the fuck

i was going to post about this in the dark & gritty snow white thread, two upcoming movies AND the new "once upon a time" show portray snow white as this wood-dwelling badass with weapons. now, i have faith in pixar to do this well, but everyone else needs to starting mixing it up a little imo

what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

you know what upcoming Pixar movie looks rad, is this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wreck-It_Ralph

sex-poodle Al Gore (DJP), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh man! drop that link into the new thread about 8-bit nostalgia and let's see what happens

what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

xps Maid Marion and her Merry Men did it best:

kinder, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Okay so we're done with all the sequel idiocy for a while? Good.

Oh thank god. The Pixar schedule was looking horribly unimaginative for a while there.

Wilco Pump Pant (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

There is apparently a Monsters Inc. prequel or something coming so fuck that but hopefully things will progress forward otherwise...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

what's the point of a monsters inc. movie without boo :(

what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

“The film is a prequel that tells you a little bit about how (Mike and Sully) first met, attending Monsters University,” Hollis told theater owners gathered in Las Vegas on Tuesday for their annual CinemaCon convention. “Obviously everybody knows at this point Mike and Sully are amazing friends — the best of friends — but as it turns out, in this story, that wasn’t always the case. From the moment they met at university, they could not stand each other. This story takes you through the ups and downs, and how they overcame their own differences.”

Let hate be unconfined.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

speaking of fresh plotlines

what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

another monsters inc film will be alright. at least that's a good universe with likeable characters.

fucking cars2 was so horrible I felt like I needed a brain douche after seeing it.

akm, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

wreck it ralph is not a pixar film.

akm, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was gonna point that out but it's probably hard to know where one ends and the other begins these days

Number None, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

They're different studios!
Yeah I'm also looking forward to the Monsters prequel. Monsters Inc is one of my favourites.

kinder, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

but Lasseter is in charge of both

Number None, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost A lot of the so-called Disney princesses or whatever aren't princesses ... until they marry a prince. Belle, Cinderella, Snow White, Mulan Tiana in "Frog," not princesses. Jasmine is a princess. Sleeping Beauty is a princess. So is ... Pocahontas, I guess. And Ariel. And I guess Rapunzel. Anyway, that's a pretty fair princess rate.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

BTW, is this the thread where we scratch our heads at Brad Bird doing MI:4?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

theres an mi4 thread already iirc

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

the joeks in this trailer were really flat

dayo, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

pixar trailers usually kinda suck iirc

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

BTW, is this the thread where we scratch our heads at Brad Bird doing MI:4?

and Andrew Stanton is doing John Carter. it's kind of weird to me that they both want to get into live action.

the wheelie king (wk), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Y'know what looks good? That Aardman Pirates movie

Number None, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Damn, I had totally missed that!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

AKA The Pirates! In an Adventure with Scientists, in the UK, with an awesome sea-shanty trailer:

kinder, Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd be curious to see how this turns out btw - so many of the best pixar movies are very unconventional stories told in ways that really take advantage of the computer animation medium. in short, films that would never, ever work as live action films. this one it seems could probably be made as a live-action for 1/10 the cost.

dayo, Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah I promise that dozens of people and many thousands of dollars were spent on the main character's hair

ooh i love my loaf n jug! (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

the hair does look amazing to be fair

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh to be sure

ooh i love my loaf n jug! (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was going to post about this in the dark & gritty snow white thread, two upcoming movies AND the new "once upon a time" show portray snow white as this wood-dwelling badass with weapons. now, i have faith in pixar to do this well, but everyone else needs to starting mixing it up a little imo

― what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:06 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

otm

Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd be curious to see how this turns out btw - so many of the best pixar movies are very unconventional stories told in ways that really take advantage of the computer animation medium. in short, films that would never, ever work as live action films. this one it seems could probably be made as a live-action for 1/10 the cost.

Thus far I've thought "The Incredibles" was the only Pixar movie that could be made live action with really barely any changes. That was my only disappointment with that one.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 November 2011 02:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Of course by "live action" in that case you mean "real human actors in CG robots, superpowers, airplanes, and volcanos"

ooh i love my loaf n jug! (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2011 02:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah tbh i am not even really a pixar fan (though i like the ones everyone likes), and i have cranky indefensible old man beef over cg pretty much deading cel animation and yadda yadda, but i would actually prefer to see a lot of these cgi sfx spectaculars be totally animated in a pixar style.

getting a very vague "pixar's miyazaki fandom comes to the fore with this one" vibe off this trailer, but maybe that's just because of a.) the landscape shots and b.) the fact that it looks like more of a traditional adventure flick with a plucky heroine.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 17 November 2011 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

well between the character designs (which display a very overt miyazaki influence) and their stated intention to tell a story 'darker and more mature in tone' i think yr probably on the right track

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would actually prefer to see a lot of these cgi sfx spectaculars be totally animated in a pixar style.

agree w/this, and

Thus far I've thought "The Incredibles" was the only Pixar movie that could be made live action with really barely any changes. That was my only disappointment with that one.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

dont really get this! art direction, character design, visual storytelling all would be diminished by a live action treatment... its a cartoon through and through!

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hope the theme song of monster university is a version of this

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thus far I've thought "The Incredibles" was the only Pixar movie that could be made live action with really barely any changes. That was my only disappointment with that one.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

dont really get this! art direction, character design, visual storytelling all would be diminished by a live action treatment... its a cartoon through and through!

― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:35 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

ya i totally agree - what a weird thing to be disappointed by

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

A whole bunch of new images!
http://disney.go.com/brave/#/characters/

kinder, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 06:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

<3 "Lord Macintosh"

kinder, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 06:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Big Macintosh > Lord Macintosh

Nicole, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Between Shrek and every other Mike Myers endeavor, kind of Scottish accented out (sorry, Scots!). But this looks great and I can't wait to bring my daughters, even though I have a hunch the trailers gives everything away (monster is the bear, bear has cubs, bear not so bad after all, we all learn something).

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

we learn the bear likes the taste of bravado-filled redheads

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Brave and the Bold (BBQ Sauce)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Watch the first scene from Pixar's BRAVE now. (Deleted hyperbolic io9.com exclamation point.)

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 13:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's an article in this week's Time magazine that gives a little insight into the directors and people working on it:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2107515,00.html

(although the beginning bit about how it's a total 12-year-old-boy environment doesn't really ring true and seems to be just there for the narrative they decided on for the piece)

kinder, Saturday, 25 February 2012 00:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

paywalled article, I fear.

Love the character design, and that clip is ace. Pretty stoked for this now.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Watch the much better Japanese trailer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8zzSqWUmlts#!

Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Friday, 9 March 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

http://io9.com/5899668/weve-seen-the-first-30-minutes-of-pixars-brave

That said this part really caught my eye:

Aside from the texture, the characters, and that hair, the thing you'll be talking about most when you leave the theater? La Luna, the short film that will play before Brave. We did see a final cut of La Luna, and nothing has ever made me feel so profoundly that I was watching an Italo Calvino story brought to life. I can't wait to see it again in June.

Hell yes to that!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 April 2012 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Taking the marketing a little too far there, John:

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 April 2012 14:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

and once more for those who were unclear on the "disney princess" slam
http://jezebel.com/disney-pulls-sexy-merida-makeover-after-public-backlash-494274022

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 17:03 (10 months ago) Permalink

on that jezebel site, a lot of the changes can be explained by the difference between animated and static images - you don't want all the gloss and detail when you have to animate 25 frames every second.

also, disney appears to have removed merida rather than reverted the style, i just don't see her on that page. (that buggy, processor intensive page)

koogs, Sunday, 9 June 2013 17:15 (10 months ago) Permalink

a lot of those changes can be explained by hypersexualizing images for children but hey whatevs

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 17:19 (10 months ago) Permalink

Verrrrry excited about Inside Out.
Every aspect of the character design for Merida was painstakingly thought out so to have Disney just do that had me smh

kinder, Sunday, 9 June 2013 17:50 (10 months ago) Permalink

Well, the story should at least make it clear that Merida's not "another Disney Princess", if Disney themselves consider her outside the range.

Koogs - you are probably, like me, getting shunted over to the UK version.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 9 June 2013 18:05 (10 months ago) Permalink

yeah, i'm not saying it's not a travesty.

and actually, looking at the two merida images at the top (and not the traditional cell animated images at the bottom) the good merida is actually more complex than the made-over version, because she's 3d modelled and lit realistically. plus she has hairy hair.

koogs, Sunday, 9 June 2013 18:08 (10 months ago) Permalink

Andrew: the point is that Disney very much intended her to be "another Disney Princess" and would certainly have pigeonholed her that way had there not been sufficient public backlash to point to diminished returns on that marketing plan

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:07 (10 months ago) Permalink

instead we get "I AM STRONG AND I'M A PRINCESS" which makes it pretty clear that Diz knows they have an image problem with this stuff so Meridia is gonna get called on to do damage control and maybe see if there's folks willing to buy into that message.

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:09 (10 months ago) Permalink

Well if you want to separate out intentions, then Disney meant to do that now, and may have meant a to do so a year ago, but Pixar meant to do something else, and succeeded - hence the public backlash.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:11 (10 months ago) Permalink

I don't agree with your 'pretty clear', but that's probably you know pretty clear.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:17 (10 months ago) Permalink

Disney meant to make money on this and whether they make money with good ideas or bad ones doesn't seem to matter to much to them.
Pixar's intent, as I argued at length above, seems notably more watered down than it usually is but that's open to interp.
Public backlash is a delicate thing; the nosejobbed heroine from the princess and the frog was added to the harem as an overidealized vision and there was notably less hue and cry.

Anyways, now there's this:
http://video.disney.com/watch/merida-i-am-a-princess-4dc2af5d4e65d49a9e9eda76
which is hardly a subtle shift of messaging from what they'd been putting out there; this looks like a nike jr. commercial.
good on them for finally recognizing they're dragging a dying stereotype but it's notable that princesses are still fully able bodied and skinny according to that video.

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:18 (10 months ago) Permalink

You don't think Disney is aware that the Princess line has an image problem?

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:18 (10 months ago) Permalink

I may be misinterpreting - are you saying that Project Merida from the start is an effort from Disney to create a new type of Princess?

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:23 (10 months ago) Permalink

no, not at all. i think they tried to fit her into the princess fold, noted the backlash and figured she'd be more helpful (read profitable) as a tonic.

i didn't even give much of a fuck that you were mod (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 June 2013 20:45 (10 months ago) Permalink


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