Brave -- Pixar's 2012 release

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xpost A lot of the so-called Disney princesses or whatever aren't princesses ... until they marry a prince. Belle, Cinderella, Snow White, Mulan Tiana in "Frog," not princesses. Jasmine is a princess. Sleeping Beauty is a princess. So is ... Pocahontas, I guess. And Ariel. And I guess Rapunzel. Anyway, that's a pretty fair princess rate.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

BTW, is this the thread where we scratch our heads at Brad Bird doing MI:4?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

theres an mi4 thread already iirc

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

the joeks in this trailer were really flat

dayo, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

pixar trailers usually kinda suck iirc

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

BTW, is this the thread where we scratch our heads at Brad Bird doing MI:4?

and Andrew Stanton is doing John Carter. it's kind of weird to me that they both want to get into live action.

the wheelie king (wk), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Y'know what looks good? That Aardman Pirates movie

Number None, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Damn, I had totally missed that!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 23:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

AKA The Pirates! In an Adventure with Scientists, in the UK, with an awesome sea-shanty trailer:

kinder, Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd be curious to see how this turns out btw - so many of the best pixar movies are very unconventional stories told in ways that really take advantage of the computer animation medium. in short, films that would never, ever work as live action films. this one it seems could probably be made as a live-action for 1/10 the cost.

dayo, Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah I promise that dozens of people and many thousands of dollars were spent on the main character's hair

ooh i love my loaf n jug! (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

the hair does look amazing to be fair

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh to be sure

ooh i love my loaf n jug! (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was going to post about this in the dark & gritty snow white thread, two upcoming movies AND the new "once upon a time" show portray snow white as this wood-dwelling badass with weapons. now, i have faith in pixar to do this well, but everyone else needs to starting mixing it up a little imo

― what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:06 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

otm

Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Thursday, 17 November 2011 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'd be curious to see how this turns out btw - so many of the best pixar movies are very unconventional stories told in ways that really take advantage of the computer animation medium. in short, films that would never, ever work as live action films. this one it seems could probably be made as a live-action for 1/10 the cost.

Thus far I've thought "The Incredibles" was the only Pixar movie that could be made live action with really barely any changes. That was my only disappointment with that one.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 November 2011 02:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Of course by "live action" in that case you mean "real human actors in CG robots, superpowers, airplanes, and volcanos"

ooh i love my loaf n jug! (silby), Thursday, 17 November 2011 02:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah tbh i am not even really a pixar fan (though i like the ones everyone likes), and i have cranky indefensible old man beef over cg pretty much deading cel animation and yadda yadda, but i would actually prefer to see a lot of these cgi sfx spectaculars be totally animated in a pixar style.

getting a very vague "pixar's miyazaki fandom comes to the fore with this one" vibe off this trailer, but maybe that's just because of a.) the landscape shots and b.) the fact that it looks like more of a traditional adventure flick with a plucky heroine.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 17 November 2011 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

well between the character designs (which display a very overt miyazaki influence) and their stated intention to tell a story 'darker and more mature in tone' i think yr probably on the right track

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i would actually prefer to see a lot of these cgi sfx spectaculars be totally animated in a pixar style.

agree w/this, and

Thus far I've thought "The Incredibles" was the only Pixar movie that could be made live action with really barely any changes. That was my only disappointment with that one.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

dont really get this! art direction, character design, visual storytelling all would be diminished by a live action treatment... its a cartoon through and through!

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i hope the theme song of monster university is a version of this

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thus far I've thought "The Incredibles" was the only Pixar movie that could be made live action with really barely any changes. That was my only disappointment with that one.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

dont really get this! art direction, character design, visual storytelling all would be diminished by a live action treatment... its a cartoon through and through!

― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:35 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

ya i totally agree - what a weird thing to be disappointed by

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 17 November 2011 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

A whole bunch of new images!
http://disney.go.com/brave/#/characters/

kinder, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 06:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

<3 "Lord Macintosh"

kinder, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 06:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

Big Macintosh > Lord Macintosh

Nicole, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 13:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Between Shrek and every other Mike Myers endeavor, kind of Scottish accented out (sorry, Scots!). But this looks great and I can't wait to bring my daughters, even though I have a hunch the trailers gives everything away (monster is the bear, bear has cubs, bear not so bad after all, we all learn something).

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 14:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

we learn the bear likes the taste of bravado-filled redheads

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

The Brave and the Bold (BBQ Sauce)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Watch the first scene from Pixar's BRAVE now. (Deleted hyperbolic io9.com exclamation point.)

A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Thursday, 23 February 2012 13:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

There's an article in this week's Time magazine that gives a little insight into the directors and people working on it:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2107515,00.html

(although the beginning bit about how it's a total 12-year-old-boy environment doesn't really ring true and seems to be just there for the narrative they decided on for the piece)

kinder, Saturday, 25 February 2012 00:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

paywalled article, I fear.

Love the character design, and that clip is ace. Pretty stoked for this now.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Sunday, 26 February 2012 00:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Watch the much better Japanese trailer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8zzSqWUmlts#!

Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Friday, 9 March 2012 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 weeks pass...

http://io9.com/5899668/weve-seen-the-first-30-minutes-of-pixars-brave

That said this part really caught my eye:

Aside from the texture, the characters, and that hair, the thing you'll be talking about most when you leave the theater? La Luna, the short film that will play before Brave. We did see a final cut of La Luna, and nothing has ever made me feel so profoundly that I was watching an Italo Calvino story brought to life. I can't wait to see it again in June.

Hell yes to that!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 April 2012 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Taking the marketing a little too far there, John:

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 April 2012 14:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

What? No such thing. More Scottish snare.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

The way Pixar has handled this movie is very shady, imo: http://www.themarysue.com/brenda-chapman-discusses-brave/

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, this got our Amber's attention..

Mark G, Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Mark G, Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

The way Pixar has handled this movie is very shady, imo: http://www.themarysue.com/brenda-chapman-discusses-brave/

― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:09 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

This doesn't actually tell us anything though

Number None, Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah there's nothing new in there.

kinder, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am just saying I'm dubious.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

About what, exactly? Just wondering as I am kind of close to this movie.

kinder, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Pixar does not have a great track record with female characters, and then they pull the female director on the project (who came up with the concept) under suspicious circumstances. And I'm sure they'll be promoting it will a lot of blah blah blah female empowerment when they don't practice what they preach.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Pixar does not have a great track record with female characters

Agreed

then they pull the female director on the project (who came up with the concept) under suspicious circumstances

I'm trying to understand what you think is suspicious about the circumstances!

kinder, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

well they're suspicious because they're opaque

a lot of people were pretty disappointed when she was taken off the project, but none of the details are public

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

But surely that's to be expected for any big company. Speculation when you don't have information either way is not particularly helpful (posts that summarise ILX etc)

kinder, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah i mean im reserving judgement. but i get why people are disappointed

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Not a very positive review. This part is leaping out at me:

So far, so good, if nothing particularly original: It's a standard story about a tomboy princess who lusts for a quest of her own, a striving for freedom and independence, with some Stonehenge-type structures thrown in to give the movie some mystical resonance. You're fully expecting a full-throated action adventure in the second half of the movie, as Merida fights like her father while learning that her mother has a few lessons to teach as well.

That is not what happens. I am hesitant to give away the movie's big plot twist halfway through, but suffice it to say, when it happens, it's a needle-off-the-record moment that sends the movie careening off in an entirely different, much dumber direction. It signals that the movie is about to go silly on us, and not in a "Look, I'm Woody, howdy howdy howdy" fun silly direction. The mystery and potential scope of the first half is just sent flying off the back of the truck, and the movie becomes an odd mix of slapstick and fairy-tale flimsiness, an utterly conventional tale of derring-do that keeps bumping into the lane of the faintly ridiculous. The movie's second half is a weirdly aimless slog, as if it forget all the threads it set up in the first half. If I didn't know it was animated, I'd have thought they had to bring all the cast together for some last-minute emergency reshoots.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I have some guesses as to what this involves based on the trailers.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it seems fairly obvious

Number None, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

If you watch enough kids shows, the toy commercials have some pretty big spoilers so I already know the twist.

I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink


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