LONG DUK DONG

^^^

kinda surprised to see so many people rep for sixteen candles unambiguously without mentioning "oh hey, there's also this really racist character in there, just thought you should know" and then I watch it and get to this scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyJBz7Z2EWE

and yeah, gedde you stupid fucking asshole

Did you only recently see it?

yep

it's pretty embarrassing, feels like something out of a 1940s film.

^^ It's sort of amazing when you realize when it was actually made.

well yeah - tbh I find this character to be much more offensive than breakfast at tiffany's simply cuz it was made in the 80s.

john hughes' films don't have any other specious racial stereotyping iirc, unless there's something i'm forgetting. at least nothing that stands out so markedly from the era.

the political subtext of Hughes' filmography is pretty suspect imho, it is very WHITES ONLY

Skip to around 5:25 for one of the more insanely racist moments of modern cinema.

Indeed. Reminds me of the Portlandia "Coffee Land" sketch.

john hughes' films don't have any other specious racial stereotyping iirc, unless there's something i'm forgetting. at least nothing that stands out so markedly from the era.

There's a pretty racist scene in Vacation (which he wrote, but didn't direct) when the Griswolds drive through a Black neighborhood in St. Louis.

I'm a pretty big john hughes fan tbh! I love ferris bueller & home alone & weird science, need to cross the breakfast club off the to watch list.

xp yeah hughes' films are very much the quiddities and agonies of suburban white america

in Hughes' movies, all non-white, urban dwelling people are ethnic criminals FYI

xp

at least nothing that stands out so markedly from the era

how about the scene where Anthony Michael Hall "talks black" in Weird Science

wtf hughes did home alone

the 'police academy' films are chock full of this kind of shit too

btw I watched sixteen candles and metropolitan within like a few weeks of each other and metropolitan clearly ripped sixteen candles off in the female lead department didn't it?

or they're caricatures that want to anally rape you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfipl5BYBqo

hollywood is vv white btw

I was watching Uncle Buck over Christmas and thinking "this is pretty aggressively heteronormative" but... John Candy. I just love the guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu-p_OQChKQ&feature=related

it's kind of amazing how many scripts i've read which have these kinds of scenes and how many of them got made.

look out! black people!

xp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaJhLyDhsgc

i don't mind offensive humor but the stuff is 99% coming from the minds of rich white dudes, which is why shit like the al qaeda joke in 'crank' is kind of unforgivable to me.

Not to mention the "primitive cultures" line/cutaway in that scene.

xp

ppl will probably be smdh over this in 20 years too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL_0ech5F5M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_CUV0Er7EE

ppl will probably be smdh over this in 20 years too

that is an ... odd character yes.

the rolling-up-the-window thing is totally funny tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E8-NklZobg

i don't mind offensive humor but the stuff is 99% coming from the minds of rich white dudes

― omar little, Monday, January 9, 2012 4:39 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my friend just gave me his brother in law's (white american dude who works in finance) movie script and 90% of it was this kind of racist bullshit

but it was the kind of bullshit that could easily get made

easily made bullshit

amazed how many scripts include stuff like CUT TO: SCARY BLACK GUY or DOG REACTION SHOT or misogynist bullshit passed off as gospel truth.

if this were a thread about racism in non-comedies i'd just be going on about the fuckedupness of assault on precinct 13

wait, what is wrong with DOG REACTION SHOT?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T55ArHjeR1c

racist as hell, mostly cringe-worthy & regrettable, but I can't help but lol @ the post-bacchanal exchange b/w the donger & grandpa.

Dong, where is my automobile?

Character is much more richly developed in Dong Is Missing.

Is Borat any different from Long Duk Dong?

not really, but i'm the only person that's going to agree w/ you on that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsywLclz8A8

john hughes did papa johns

Revenge of the Nerds is PACKED with this stuff, PLUS it ends with a comic rape scene!

At the weekend, ITV broadcast Disney's One of Our Dinosaurs is Missing, complete w/ Sir Peter Ustinov as wiley/ludicrous oriental:

http://www.sirpeterustinov.com/dinopubigcopy.jpg

John Hughes, of course, wrote for National Lampoon magazine in the 70s, and that's incredibly racist a lot of the time

http://i43.tower.com/images/mm107558347/mastermind-zero-mostel-vhs-cover-art.jpg

Zero Mostel, ladies and gentlemen

http://filmfanatic.org/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Dr.Lao.JPG

Tony Randall, ladies and gentlemen

oh damn

16 Candles also has the following exchange between MR and her best friend:

And you do it on a cloud

without getting pregnant

or herpes.

I don't need the cloud.

Just a pink Trans Am

and the guy, right?

A black one.

A black guy? (Sounds completely horrified)

A black Trans Am.

A pink guy.

That whole convo was always pretty o_O to me.

"if this were a thread about racism in non-comedies i'd just be going on about the fuckedupness of assault on precinct 13"

The original or the remake?

The last time this was brought up on ILX, I think someone posted a link to an article by an Asian-American writer with a detailed decription of how the image Long Duk Dong affected the way he was treated as teenager (similar to the Adrian Tomine comic). I remember the writer mentioning that before LDD, the stereotypical image of Asian guys was Bruce Lee, but at least Lee was a badass kung fu guy, so Long Duk Dong replacing him was actually a turn for the worse. Can anyone locate that article, I thought it was a good reading on this subject?

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88591800

classic simpsons was never remotely right-wing -- the al sharpton/spike lee joke is from after that era, i remember being pissed off by it at the time. the jokes about democrats being soft on crime or giving away free money or whatever are clearly jokes about popular right-wing talking points.

classic simpsons was never remotely right-wing

John Swartzwelder, who wrote for the Simpsons from the start for 14 years and wrote more episodes than any other writer is a self-described "hardcover conservative", libertarian, and has been described as an "anti-environmentalist".

John Swartzwelder was pretty personally conservative but the show itself was massively anti-authoritarian from the beginning

Xpost

swartzwelder's views don't seem to have made it into the episodes he wrote. i guess he did write the episode where homer buys a gun, but i wouldn't say that episode was really pro-gun.

I mean he uses his gun as a remote

It's definitely pro-gun in that seemingly every other adult (I think including Krusty and Bee Guy??) in Springfield is a responsible gun owner.

would like to point out tho that the Simpsons persuasively pointed out the one danger of owning a gun for your own protection, in that it can lead to a child getting its hands on it and accidentally shooting someone.

There was an interesting thread on Twitter yesterday where someone was going over old drafts of early episode storyboards and Matt Groening was having to tell writers to take out racist / ableist jokes and make sure the show universe was inclusive.

Separately, Al Jean seems like an ass.

In case you had any doubt about where The Simpsons was coming from with its response to "The Problem With Apu" last night, this is what showrunner @aljean was retweeting afterwards. :( Count me as another once-devoted fan who has closed this door for good. pic.twitter.com/FRpHckk9Ak

— jay smooth (@jsmooth995) April 9, 2018

Yeah Jean tweeted about the episode before it aired anticipating the outrage afterwards. So what was the point of addressing it if all you can offer is a welp shrug and resort to a cheap publicity grab for a show that's been stagnant and practically irrelevant for nearly twenty years.

second half of the last sentence answers the first half

also i would factor in what i assume is a massive sense of vanity and entitlement

anyway stop posting about it in THIS THREAD i keep forgetting

Can only speak up to season 10/11. The notion The Simpsons was right-wing doesn't land for me. Not was it especially left-wing. It just represented whatever the conversation might have been going on at the time. Homer is a moving target. Lisa is probably getting to left-wing, but is developing. Marge could be a version of a grown-up Lisa (she voted for Carter twice etc.)

pretending Apu was ever acceptable is bullshit isn't it? I mean here they are getting called out on it 11 years ago
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/jul/16/theaputragedy

― thomasintrouble, Monday, 9 April 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd like to see the doc on Apu. Its a shame he was used to mock US/North American Asians as I do think he was overall a pretty positive depiction given the constraints of not being a main character, and then being a character on a cartoon show at that (Apu having a PhD is as much a part of the caricature as the accent. Its just what Indians do, you know.) Overall I was laughing with Apu back then.

Let’s not invent some “always punching up” narrative about the show that gave us Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel

Al Jean has been running the show for 18 years. I imagine lost touch with reality some time ago

It's definitely pro-gun in that seemingly every other adult (I think including Krusty and Bee Guy??) in Springfield is a responsible gun owner.

https://media.giphy.com/media/32V6UqfX4ffHO/giphy.gif

It's definitely pro-gun in that seemingly every other adult (I think including Krusty and Bee Guy??) in Springfield is a responsible gun owner.

pro-gun is the default stance in America, not something one party does and another does not.

look at all the gun legislation during Obama's 8 years in office. we had a Democratic congresswoman shot in the head and she still supported gun rights.

that's a pretty shitty way to frame her considering she has been adamant about pushing for gun control legislation for 7 years

i love this thread's detour into high school architecture

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/25/entertainment/hank-azaria-apu/index.html

Don't know if this has been posted before.

https://la.eater.com/2018/4/30/17303328/yellow-fever-restaurant-backlash-over-name

Omg that name

Wtf

Even overlooking the racial aspect naming your restaurant after an illness is pretty dumb

"Dengue Dave's"

Matt Groening Says Debate Around Apu Is 'Tained'

er, 'Tainted'

Groening is being so fucking dumb about this, like anyone would care if they stopped putting Apu in a show that everyone agrees has sucked nuts for like 15 years

I don’t think anyone at the Simpsons saw my film #TheProblemWithApu so they make the same points over & over. Points I have already acknowledged & responded to in a 49 minute documentary that is readily available on iTunes. https://t.co/QDvNYTTZgo

— Hari Kondabolu (@harikondabolu) July 18, 2018

For my interview, Netflix stipulated that I not ask Groening about Apu controversy. I asked Netflix, "Is Matt declining to comment on Apu?" They declined to answer that, so I went ahead and asked Matt about Apu. Netflix halted the interview immediately and disconnected the call. https://t.co/RCf3lpwjvI

— Brad Wheeler (@BWheelerglobe) July 18, 2018