In Defense of Sailor Moon

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queued up on screenselect, exciting stuff. a reference to buffy gets me every time.

jeffrey (johnson), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

There's nothing remotely Buffy-like about the viewing experience -- it's just that the teen-girl superhero premise is very much the same. More like the Buffy of the movie, actually: ditzy teenage girl discovers she has superhero purpose in which individual conflicts strongly mirror normal teenage-girl issues; first addition to group of cohorts is computer-savvy shy girl, and others follow per type (Mercury = Willow, Mars = Faith, Jupiter = Xander, Venus = Cordelia, Luna = Giles, TuxedoMask = Angel in every respect); humor drawn from the drop between superhero action and teenage girldom; big sweeping comic-book plots; etc. The framework, let's say, is similar; the actual show isn't in the least. Sailor Moon is all about this girly-romantic swooning version of comic-book drama, and can be pretty beautiful about it -- the main thing I remember is when they travel to the moon-kingdom and kinda learn the premise of the thing, and the ruin of it and the drama of their exile-to-Earth is kind of incredible.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

still exciting. be better screenselect.

jeffrey (johnson), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread has inspired me -- I was going to be productive tonight, but screw productivity; I'm going to dig up old Sailor Moon tapes, instead.

nory (nory), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Also lots and lots of lesbians and androgynous beings and just massive gender subtexts shooting everywhere. Sometimes the villains transform into their villain-states and it's practically indecent, like that big bug from Starship Troopers that was obviously a vagina.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, i am inspiration for laziness. pwnage.
"fuck producivity... SAILOR MOON!" is my new motto.

anyways, another thing we're not mentioning is the MUSIC.
i thought the US dub music was fab, but was pleasantly surprised when the original (but different) music was fantastic too, particularly the two extremes of the transformation tunes(US version very floaty and magical, Japanese version kinda rocky with shifting vocal harmonies that make me all warm and fuzzy). even the comical incidental music is fab.
ah, sailor moon just pwns.

g-kit_at_home, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:13 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, except the US theme song is just WRONG. great tune, but the lyrics... whoever wrote it should maybe have er.... watched the show. just once.

g-kit_forgot_a_bit, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

I'd take Mars over Mercury anyday

mars was the best sailor scout for sure

although always felt bad for jupiter, like some homely middle child

ban lex pretend (Lamp), Friday, 1 April 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Sailor Moon folks also did Revolutionary Girl Utena.

The Utena movie is phenomenal.

drugnet (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 1 April 2011 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link

kelpolaris which sailor scout do you think is the cutest?

ban lex pretend (Lamp), Friday, 1 April 2011 03:31 (thirteen years ago) link

i recently started watching the original japanese episodes w/subtitles while i do my hand-weight exercises, so that during the fight sequences i can be like "POW POW POW i too fight on behalf of the moon!!!" i will soon be thirty years old.

anyway watching the originals has been more enjoyable than i anticipated. i know it's old news that the english adaptations are so butchered they border on nonsensical, but even the jokes and interactions between the scouts seem far more human and believable in their original form. plus there's a lot more death and violence and awesome supernatural shit.

also great (tho off-color) is the sailor moon abridged parody series.

major fashion inspiration (reddening), Friday, 1 April 2011 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Sailor Saturn is the cutest but Sailor Moon is the best (all the later scouts are boring)

cold hands of monkeys on my heart (CaptainLorax), Friday, 1 April 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link

i never saw any of the episodes w/ saturn is she one of the lesbian scouts?

ban lex pretend (Lamp), Friday, 1 April 2011 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link

i used to love sailor moons so much

one dis leads to another (ian), Friday, 1 April 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link

the lesbicons were neptune & uranus iirc.

one dis leads to another (ian), Friday, 1 April 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link

jupiter was my fav when i was a kid before i actually started watching. she had a good color palette going on

A B C, Friday, 1 April 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link

i always liked sailor mercury.

one dis leads to another (ian), Friday, 1 April 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link

when i was a kid ppl @ school called me 'gay' cuz i liked sailor moon more than dragonball z

this is an instance were everyone is right, i think

mars is ~beautiful!!~ imo but i like venus confidence. it did seem unfair that she got her own cat tho

ban lex pretend (Lamp), Friday, 1 April 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link

venus was too much of a goody two shoes.

one dis leads to another (ian), Friday, 1 April 2011 04:21 (thirteen years ago) link

http://jaynin.hisdivineshadow.net/scoutsbeach.JPG

^^^ liking this does not make u gay

one dis leads to another (ian), Friday, 1 April 2011 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link

those ratios are so off

kelpolaris, Friday, 1 April 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link

i am so aroused

kelpolaris, Friday, 1 April 2011 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link

http://puppielover2000.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/reiina_1.jpg

we need avators on ilx so badddddd

ban lex pretend (Lamp), Friday, 1 April 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link

every time the dragon ball guys were powering up it was like they were having a raging boner

cold hands of monkeys on my heart (CaptainLorax), Friday, 1 April 2011 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link

poor mars, her boyfriend turns out to be engaged to the moon princess ~IN ANOTHER LIFE~ and she has to be all "no it's okay you can take him sailor moon, because of destiny."

major fashion inspiration (reddening), Friday, 1 April 2011 05:05 (thirteen years ago) link

and then she went out and bought some bowler hats i guess

major fashion inspiration (reddening), Friday, 1 April 2011 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link

haha oh man i had totally forgotten that in the dub version serena's bff has a ridic jersey accent & the nerd is named meelllvin

ban lex pretend (Lamp), Friday, 1 April 2011 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link

every time the dragon ball guys were powering up it was like they were having a raging boner

― cold hands of monkeys on my heart (CaptainLorax), Friday, April 1, 2011 12:33 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark

qft. Dragonball bad guys with pink flesh and big muscles and tight buns and long hair and voices like 80-year-old grandmothers. I don't know exactly what it is, gender/sexuality-wise. It's complex and more intense than I can really handle.

kkvgz, Friday, 1 April 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost

TUXEDO MASK

(tuxedo mask?)

TUXEDO MASK
http://dreager1.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/tuxedomask.jpg

(I *only* watched the dub version, considering this was on Toonami when I was whatever age... but remember his accent fondly. And the bewilderment that the girls had at his every appearance/vice versa.... I could never buy that the girls were unrecognizable in different clothes)

kelpolaris, Sunday, 3 April 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link

i recently started watching the original japanese episodes w/subtitles while i do my hand-weight exercises, so that during the fight sequences i can be like "POW POW POW i too fight on behalf of the moon!!!" i will soon be thirty years old.

love this post

ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 3 April 2011 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link

qft. Dragonball bad guys with pink flesh and big muscles and tight buns and long hair and voices like 80-year-old grandmothers. I don't know exactly what it is, gender/sexuality-wise. It's complex and more intense than I can really handle.

― kkvgz, Friday, April 1, 2011 9:28 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah — often the strongest incarnations of any of the characters were also the smallest/most feminine. I think it's a weird play by Toriyama on viewers' (or readers' in the case of the manga) expectations.

corey, Sunday, 3 April 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I dunno if DBZ and SM are comparable though — DBZ is serial while SM is more contained within episodes (even if there is a larger story arc, but it's incidental).

corey, Sunday, 3 April 2011 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link

it feels so appropriate that people are linking to angelfire pics in a sailor moon thread

ℳℴℯ ❤\(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Monday, 4 April 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link

tbh I couldn't believe angelfire still existed!

corey, Monday, 4 April 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link

incidentally, i used to have a geocities page about sailor pluto. this is true, and shameful.

one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, 4 April 2011 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link

it feels so appropriate that people are linking to angelfire pics in a sailor moon thread

hahahaha was thinking that as well

original bgm, Monday, 4 April 2011 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

people on tumblr claiming there is going to be a new sailor moon anime in 2013?? i will believe it when i see it but STILL

the bibles fake lol don't trust a book (reddening), Friday, 6 July 2012 13:59 (eleven years ago) link

I have a gigantic crush on Sailor Mercury

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, July 13, 2005 8:39 AM (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've expanded my pixel crushes since 2006. Now I prefer Sailor HAT-P-32b.

Jeff, Friday, 6 July 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link

lol @ kelpolaris post

carly rae (flopson), Friday, 6 July 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link

Used to looooooooooooooooooooove this show at age 15 or so, it was really my gateway into several years of dedicated anime fandom (setting aside a much earlier Robotech obsession). Kind of can't imagine watching any of it now; like DBZ it is LONG and there's a lot of whatnot and filler which was pretty entertaining to me at one point but which I think would be sort of grindingly dull to go through again. Goes back to the whole "having enough free time" thing I guess. I think I can track a major evolution in my sexual preferences from unthreatening mousy nerds to raging tomboys on some kind of Mercury/Jupiter axis. I once maintained an "Anime Babes" page which featured both of them prominently, of course.

I think if I were to revisit any 90s shoujo at this point it'd have to be Escaflowne, which is concise and pretty tightly plotted IIRC. Although maybe too much of a genre hybrid to count, what with the magical dragon robots and all. And hrm...I never did finish Utena, that'd be good to do someday. And when I'm in the retirement home maybe I'll settle in and actually delve into Fushigi Yuugi...

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 7 July 2012 09:13 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

it has been a blast revisiting this show two episodes a week on hulu. i fell in love with it in middle school on the verge of a wider engagement with anime, but the only other person who watched in in my class was this identically nascent genderqueer dude and we really bonded over the show (and, incidentally, dbz, but all of my friends watched that). i thought, similar to doctor casino, that it'd be a slog to get through again, but once the rhythms of the show are established even the slightest deviations in the monster-of-the-week form are oddly thrilling.

the trailer for the new anime is odd; the character designs are more faithful to the manga but the animation is so modern that it creates a strange dissonance in their movements. though it's only a trailer

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 05:40 (nine years ago) link

''Even the slightest deviations'' - ha, I remember that feeling! Like, you knew shit was starting to get real as the season was nearing its end, the bad guys collecting those five crystals from people meant every episode was an EVENT, etc. I also really liked, also in S1, the lack of symmetry or evenness across arcs (such as they were) - the amount of time where they're dealing with Jadeite vs. Zoisite or w/e, some things are twelve episode deals, some things are three... even blatant filler like the two aliens in between the first saga and the proper Sailor Moon R stuff helped add to this totally epic feel.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 06:26 (nine years ago) link

One of my friends ran a Sailor Moon club in HS and convinced me to come; I was only vaguely familiar with the show. She showed us one of the movies and it was the first subbed anime I had seen - I was entranced. She let me borrow a handful of subtitled episodes taped third-hand on VHS, totally out of order, and there was something really fun and puzzling trying to piece together a show with fragments from different storylines, containing cultural references that were alien to me. I became obsessed and once I had a broadband connection in college, I scoured ftp sites in order to download and watch every episode of the show, but the more I understood the SM storylines and Japanese cultural stuff, the better the translations, the less I enjoyed it. A large part of the appeal was how strange it was, how different the process for watching it was from every other show I had seen. Once I had some familiarity with other anime, SM lost its luster. Little desire to go back and rewatch, but tons of fond memories.

Also Sailor Jupiter was the bomb

Vinnie, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 14:34 (nine years ago) link

"Star Gentle Uterus" was the attack used by Sailor Star Maker in all versions of the Sailor Moon series in which she appeared

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 14:52 (nine years ago) link

what the

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 14:55 (nine years ago) link

ctrl+f "boom anime babes" no results found delete bookmark

Disagree. And im not into firey solos chief. (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 June 2014 15:02 (nine years ago) link

That was probably around the time I was playing episodes in the background while doing something else, but I'm surprised I don't remember "Star Gentle Uterus"

Vinnie, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link

i'd also forgotten about the "moonlight knight" plot, which is...... stupid

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 18 April 2020 11:07 (four years ago) link

it's so dumb!!! the reveal that moonlight knight is some physical manifestation of mamoru's lost memories???? terrible!!!!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 April 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link

thread has inspired me to rewatch the first season again, a couple of episodes a night before sleep is just what i need at the moment

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 18 April 2020 18:20 (four years ago) link

it’s really comforting!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 April 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link

i'm two episodes into sailor moon s and it's just as good as i remembered. everything's kind of at its peak: the humor, the character moments, the sick new sailor moon transformation sequence, maybe my favorite of the show

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 April 2020 18:32 (four years ago) link

and for some reason they kept the ending theme from sailor moon r, at least for now, and it's my favorite ending theme so i'm pleased

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 April 2020 18:33 (four years ago) link

all of the monsters are so wacky and cool in this season! in the second episode there's a cat monster that emerges from a puzzle and she keeps crumbling into puzzle pieces whenever she's attacked, it's awesome. and the car monster in episode three is hilarious. screech! vroom!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 April 2020 20:16 (four years ago) link

uranus' "world shaking" is the most badass sailor guardian attack

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 April 2020 20:21 (four years ago) link

this is the BEST show

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 18 April 2020 22:14 (four years ago) link

lmao chibi-usa's one power, "pink sugar heart attack," is so hilarious

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 20 April 2020 00:17 (four years ago) link

brad you're really selling me on picking this up as my late night fall asleep viewing

Doctor Casino, Monday, 20 April 2020 01:59 (four years ago) link

i would argue sailor moon s is one of the best seasons of television ever

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 20 April 2020 03:39 (four years ago) link

S was also my favorite season by far. The only season I actually owned on DVD

Vinnie, Monday, 20 April 2020 04:10 (four years ago) link

for some reason i'm only now registering how much sailor saturn's story is like a real fucked up abusive situation

also only now realizing that usagi sent chibi-usa back in time to "make friends with people in the twentieth century" SPECIFICALLY so she'd make friends with hotaru/sailor saturn. as usual, usagi is low-key really smart

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:12 (four years ago) link

friendship saves the world from the apocalypse... again!!!!!!!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:25 (four years ago) link

really enjoying the rewatch. forgot how over the top cartoony the facial expressions are, like there will be three amazing expressions one after the other in one Usagi reaction shot that completely crack me up. was surprised that Sailor V was a thing from the first episode. also that meme about Tuxedo Mask showing up and then leaving after saying "my work here is done" without actually doing anything is so spot on haha.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 18:32 (four years ago) link

ok spoilers for the third season i guess but when pluto saves uranus and neptune from a helicopter crash by STOPPING TIME???? that's the coolest thing i've ever seen

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 April 2020 00:13 (four years ago) link

oh fuuuuck sailor saturn is here to kick ASS

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 April 2020 00:48 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

i'm rewatching from the beginning again. i never got past sailor moon s on the last rewatch bc i got distracted by 1) discovering sailor moon s was directed by kunihiko ikuhara 2) watching revolutionary girl utena over and over again

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 03:20 (two years ago) link


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