Public Enemy: Classic or Dud?

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conspiracy! AMG says that Professor Griff's "And the Word Became Flesh" was released on 9/11/01. (I'm more shocked to learn that he's put out 5 solo records)

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Greatest rock group ever. Mindblowing.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 08:15 (nineteen years ago) link

conspiracy! AMG says that Professor Griff's "And the Word Became Flesh" was released on 9/11/01. (I'm more shocked to learn that he's put out 5 solo records)
-- Joseph Pot (zdos20...), July 30th, 2004.

So was Slayer's "God Hates Us All"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 08:37 (nineteen years ago) link

"i'll say it again... Muse Sick is *seriously* underappreciated... 'Running Out Of Time', 'Unplugged & Undrugged', 'So Watcha Gonna Do Now', 'Aint Nuthin Butter Song'..."

its better than the sack of shit everyone thought it was in 1994, but its still pretty horrible.

ppp, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 08:52 (nineteen years ago) link

nah its their best album.

charleston charge (chaki), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 09:38 (nineteen years ago) link

PE at their best transcend hip-hop or any other genre. They're on some elevated gonzo genius level. I remember the impact PE had on my 16 year old self. The music was so wild and exciting, far more so than the rock bands I was listening to at the time. Chuck is so compelling, with an often overlooked wit to his rhymes. Along with Rakim he busted open the possibilities for rapping, rhyming off the beat, switching up his flow and phrasing. And I love the way Flav or sampled voices cut in and out of his rhymes - it makes their music come alive, in a way some boring MC mumbling over a wack track can never be.
The beginning of Night Of The Living Baseheads still blows my mind, with Chuck's almost jazz like phrasing over that relentless looped sax skronk. "Bang, here it is, in your face, god damn, this is a dope jam, but let's define the term named dope and you're thinking me funky now..."
And Welcome To The Terrordome is incredible, the greatest media shitstorm song ever made.

stew, Tuesday, 8 February 2005 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

stew OTM. That is one of the greatest posts ever right there on ILM, folks. stew sums PE up perfectly.

God the jazzlike phrasing of Chuck... It's so true. He was every bit the equal of Miles and Wayne and Hank and people like that...

"Bang, here it is, in your face, god damn, this is a dope jam, but let's define the term named dope and you're thinking me funky now..."

haha, yeah, so great, and stew you forgot to include that "NOPE!" at the end of that quote

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 10:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Aaarrrgghh! How could I forget the NOPE! That's essential to the the rhythm and rhyme, adding a twist a cliched phrase.

Thank you for your kind words Stormy.

stew, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

chuck d was good on a janet album

La Camilla Henemark, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Why do people always have to say theye were the greatest ROCK group or couch them in rock terminology? That really pisses me off.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Fair point, although you can understand why the NME (under Danny Kelly I think) dubbed them the greatest rock 'n roll band in the world back in the day. It was a challenge to rockists who wouldn't take hip-hop seriously and stresses the insurrectionary power of the group. It's really not necessary to apologise for them in this way anymore.
Certainly PE were interested in the dynamics and power of rock, but when they use actual rock samples, such as the Slayer riff on She Watch Channel Zero or sped up guitar frenzy on Brothers Gonna Work It Out, it's really no different in intention or effect to them sampling JB or Coltrane - it's all about getting the wildest, hardest sound, from whatever source. This is why SWCZ is far more successful than a conscious rock-rap hybrid like the Anthrax collaboration.

stew, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
is the remastered cd of 'nation' noticeably better than the original cd?

N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I recently saw the video for "Brothers Gonna Work It Out" for the first time. Not even Sister Souljah could ruin the awesomeness. That song is like a sledgehammer wrapped in barbed wire crashing into your face. So fucking awesome; I wish more people would go the maximalist route with their sampling.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

i wish i still had the single edit of the track, fuck (tho it was longer than the lp version, oddly).

N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a little louder, Henry. I boguht it for about £4 and gave my old copy to Emma.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

There's Public Enemy, and then there's the rest of hip-hop. All the rest are pretenders.

Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd agree, except that it's a completely mental thing to say.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

hmm, it's 6 quid in hmv. fuck it, there are other things, and i'm kind of attached to the old one.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Nick OTM. Public Enemy is awesome but claiming that everyone else in hip-hop are mere pretenders is the epitome of corny indie fuxor tokenism.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Public Enemy are The Beatles.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll stand by it.

Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:09 (eighteen years ago) link

There's REM, and then there's the rest of college rock. All the rest are pretenders.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:36 (eighteen years ago) link

There's The Pretenders, and then there's all those other Scottish bands.

N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I love PE, but hiphop is too big and diverse for them to be the end-all of it.

In what possible way (aside from broadest generalities) is A Tribe Called Quest trying to do what PE does, for example?

There's ATCQ and there's the rest of rap. All the rest are pretenders.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I will murder your with nothing more than a ballpoint pin if you do not like P.E.

Thank you.

PappaWheelie B.C., Wednesday, 28 September 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

THINGS I LOVE ABOUT THAT NEXT-TO-LAST POST:
1. Public Enemy and A Tribe Called Quest as the two major touchstones of hip hop, hello freshman year of high school.
2. Talking about "what A Tribe Called Quest is trying to do" in the present tense when they broke up like 50 years ago.
3. It allows me to be a snarky asshole about something that I probably only know a tiny bit more about than Austin.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Whatever, pile on if you must. My hyperbole is just a way of saying after a frustrating 15 years of listening to hip-hop post-PE, nothing's come close to "Baseheads," "Fight the Power", etc. Nothing. And as great as Nas, Wu-Tang, Dre, etc. are, there's just something in those early PE tracks that is entirely missing from everything else.

Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

even Just Ice?

N_RQ, Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Jebus, N/A, I used ATCQ because they were rough contemporaries, not because I've heard nothing since (anyway, the major touchstones of hiphop my freshman year of high school were Run DMC and um, Aerosmith.)

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

there's just something in those early PE tracks that is entirely missing from everything else.

That something = SONIC FURY. Did you ever hear Son of Bazerk?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Boy did they love "Funky Drummer".

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

PE that is. But I'm sure Son of Bazerk did too.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:10 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I haven't Dan. And yeah, the 'sonic fury' is a big part of it, but it's also the rapping, the lyrics, their use of samples, even the militancy (fake or not)--all together I feel it's just something very singular and hasn't been repeated.

Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

X-Clan!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Early Latifah!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Gravediggaz!

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

There's Public Enemy, and then there's the rest of hip-hop. All the rest are pretenders.
-- Keith C (lyncounio...), September 28th, 2005. (lync0)

dumb.

I love Public Enemy. Son of Bazerk is good too!

NWA had SONIC FURY...sometimes! Sonic fury isn't everything though....Special Ed didn't have Sonic Fury, but Youngest in Charge, whoo what a great album!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Found a copy of the new compilation Freedom to the People and the Beats recently and have been playing the hell out of it. This stuff completely holds up....even the not-as-celebrated later singls like "Give it Up" and "He Got Game" still sound great.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Power to the People and the Beats is pretty fantastic, not least for its little track-listing surprises--I heard it playing in a record store, REALLY LOUDLY, a few weeks ago, and was impressed by a) the appearance of "Prophets of Rage" b) how un-squared-off and violently abrasive everything sounded.

Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sorry Alex, but "He Got Game" is almost as terrible as the movie from whence it came.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

It's like the anti-PE.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

"Here we go again!"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 July 2007 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link

"Turn it up!"

nicky lo-fi, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I went to the beach, the ground was all sandy

Edward III, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link

(upward shifting saxophone squeal from "The Grunt")

Oilyrags, Monday, 9 July 2007 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I just bought that JB's album this week! Boy was I surprised when that snippet came through my speakers.

sleeve, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

I know! I always figured it was some kind of electronic gear abuse - a soundboard feeding back or some shit.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 00:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I went to the beach, the ground was all sandy

Actually, it's "I got to the beach, the ground was all sandy/Girlies on my jock like ants on candy." And so, so unfair that Flav's solo tracks (except for "911 Is A Joke") didn't make the best-of.

unperson, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 02:00 (sixteen years ago) link

the lyric is genius. you can say just about anything, my mind will supply the punchline, and it will still sound good:

I got shot up, the ground was all sandy...
I went to mcdonald's, the ground was all sandy...
your mamma's a bitch, the ground was all sandy...

truly one of the all-time great rap images.

Edward III, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 02:41 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Seriously? No discussion anywhere of the new album?

lukas, Saturday, 11 August 2007 04:01 (sixteen years ago) link

holy shit

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 4 September 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link

2017 was years ago tbf

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 4 September 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link

[citation needed]

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 4 September 2020 19:27 (three years ago) link

oh god i want ?uestlove's Sade tee

Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious. (stevie), Friday, 4 September 2020 19:34 (three years ago) link

This made me look up this remix, a guy I went to college did it when he was also in school and it made their album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEhj4hbOskc

His electronic music was so sick, but now he only makes contemporary classical/experimental stuff and electro-country.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 4 September 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.vulture.com/2020/09/chuck-d-interview-public-enemy-when-the-grid-goes-down.html

some semi-coherent quotes in this interview with Chuck but this one was simply to the point.

The fact that this guy, Donald Trump, who’s been philandering a half-assed celebrity joke for the last 45 to 50 years in New York City, the fact that he has that power is a disgrace to the planet Earth. He’s not equipped to govern millions of people or thousands of people. He’s not equipped to govern 100 people. Get the fuck up outta there. He shouldn’t even be there. The fact that he pulled a three-card-monte job on the United States of America isn’t just a reflection on him. It’s a reflection of the comfort zone a lot of Americans feel. They’re telling you your life don’t matter. Black lives don’t matter. Women don’t matter. You can go through a lot of the doctrine of the United States of America and see where it’s been shown and proven that certain people don’t matter. On top of that, you have authority that basically says they don’t care.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 01:48 (three years ago) link

new album getting some good reviews but didn't do much for me

Chuck's taste in beats has really declined

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 02:54 (three years ago) link

The fact that this guy, Donald Trump

Why do people do this, idgi. “Ohh, THAT guy!”

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 02:59 (three years ago) link

All the living members of Beastie Boys and Run DMC appear on a lockdown-recorded new version of Public Enemy #1

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 07:51 (three years ago) link

It's not that special. Just another later period pe mixtape/album. But with lots of guests.

candyman, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 10:14 (three years ago) link

The PE#1 is alright but, yeah, nothing special.
I loved PE in their heyday but now it's like caring about a new rolling stones albums.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 10:58 (three years ago) link

When did chuck d become such a wooly speaker?

He also sounds bored on the very first song of the new album. Just going through the motions. And every verse on fight the power 2020 seems to have been cut in a different studio.

candyman, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 12:20 (three years ago) link

It was done for the BET Awards so everyone was remote

Though even without the pandemic I think it's more the exception than the rule that guest verses are done in the same studio

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 12:50 (three years ago) link

Sure, but it really sounds like it!

candyman, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 13:38 (three years ago) link

I saw PE at a Bernie rally last year and Chuck was just over the map w/ his banter, more than I ever remember him being...maybe abt half (?) of it held together, that ^excerpt seems relatively coherent by comparison

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 13:40 (three years ago) link

Xpost - the most jarring was the Beastie Boys on the PE#1 remake - I swear they recorded that on their iPhone

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 14:02 (three years ago) link

If neither of them plan to record again, it makes sense that they don't have home vocal studios

though Adrock's partner might have a microphone around at least

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link

yeah I mean a Blue Yeti would do

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:08 (three years ago) link

Xpost - the most jarring was the Beastie Boys on the PE#1 remake - I swear they recorded that on their iPhone


Yeah but the intro is kinda fun.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 21:44 (three years ago) link


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