You know, I think it's terrible. I like some of Claudine Longet's stuff. Joe Meek is another one. I feel bad about it.
I wouldn't be caught dead with a Manson album. I did get some mp3s because I wanted to hear them.
I don't think any of those people are geniuses, but I wouldn't buy something that sucked just because they were nuts. Although maybe some people are psychology buffs.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Don Nots (Mount Cleaners) (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
What about Spector?
― Quand le déshonneur est public, il faut que la vengeance soit (Michael White), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
yeah jim gordon played on pretty much everything for a long time
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
skip spence tried didn't he
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
I have in the past and would do so again, so yes
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
^ blues and rap fan obviously
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
i look forward to shakeys poll of top 50 albums by murderers
"They'd played a Fillmore East gig without me, and Skippy took off with some black witch afterward who fed him full of acid. It was like that scene in The Doors movie. He thought he was the anti-Christ. He tried to chop down the hotel room door with a fire axe to kill Don (Stevenson) to save him from himself. He went up to the 52nd floor of the CBS building where they had to wrestle him to the ground. And Rubinson pressed charges against him. They took him to The Tombs (and then to Bellevue) and that's where he wrote Oar. When he got out of there, he cut that album in Nashville. And that was the end of his career. They shot him full of Thorazine for six months. They just take you out of the game."
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
Housemartins' drummer:
"In 1993, Whitaker was convicted of assault after attacking his former business partner James Hewitt with an axe, and firebombing his house after Hewitt had seemingly cheated him. He served 5 years in prison."
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
Skip started off as a drummer too, come to think of it!
― Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
country too
― Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
honestly not sure which genre has the most convicted killers in it, wouldn't be surprised if it was rock n roll tbh
dubstep
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
beofre he kills you I hear that skrillex whispers "wub wub" in your left ear
Though ruled accidental, Keith Moon was found to have run over his chauffeur/bodyguard Neil Boland in 1970. But Boland's daughter says Moon wasn't driving.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
Wait, what charges were The Killers brought up on?
― Quand le déshonneur est public, il faut que la vengeance soit (Michael White), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
That Boland story is sad and then I found out Kim, herself, died in a car accident
― Quand le déshonneur est public, il faut que la vengeance soit (Michael White), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
man, that jim gordon story
"As far as getting back to anything I was doing before 1981, it's pretty grim," he says wearily. For a flickering moment, he brightens. "Unless... what I'd like to do is get in some kind of touring situation, maybe contribute a little bit with my writing."
And then, he adds meekly: "I'd still like to play with Eric."
― I GUESS THAT CINNABON GETTIN EATEN (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
― Quand le déshonneur est public, il faut que la vengeance soit (Michael White), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 5:20 PM (32 minutes ago)
Making shit records. There was plenty of evidence.
― insert 2012 appropriate display name here (snoball), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
Amazing.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 31 January 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
lag00n mvp of this thread so far
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 9 February 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
i bought the GNR album with the Charles Manson cover on it, does that count?
― Alshipleyan Goalpostmover (some dude), Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
I wouldn't be caught dead with a Manson album.
all the proceeds go to his victims' families!
unless your problem is that the music isn't very good, in which case, fair point.
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago) link
why do they call you a garbage dump?
― the greates (crüt), Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
I figured it went to victim's families. I've been to people's apartments and seen the LP in context. That's too badass for me. That scary face with the word "LIE". It's not something I want to be reminded of.
The music isn't very scary, though.
― โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Hucci Gucci Pucci (Mount Cleaners) (Mount Cleaners), Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
if they were convicted of killing dan bejar i would buy their album to demonstrate my wholehearted support for their cause
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Thursday, 9 February 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
what if he committed suicide tho
― iatee, Thursday, 9 February 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
i'd content myself with cheering inside
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Thursday, 9 February 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
dan is a really nice guy & makes better conversation than most ppl I know so w/e stickin my tongue out @ u the lex
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 9 February 2012 02:39 (twelve years ago) link
tell him to make another kaputt
― iatee, Thursday, 9 February 2012 02:42 (twelve years ago) link
me being me I want him to make another Thief
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 9 February 2012 02:43 (twelve years ago) link
i know many nice people who are good conversationists who should never ever try to make music (and to their credit, they don't)
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Thursday, 9 February 2012 02:43 (twelve years ago) link
kinda movin the goalposts there the lex
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 9 February 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
dan bejar could commit every atrocity known to man and 'kaputt' would counterbalance those trangressions w/a mellow and ingratiating musical rejoinder.
― omar little, Thursday, 9 February 2012 04:52 (twelve years ago) link
Lex ruined thread o fuk how do I spin earth superman style
― frogbs, stills, and nash (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 February 2012 05:15 (twelve years ago) link
MAYHEM!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_(band)
― more like slayla (NZA), Thursday, 9 February 2012 05:21 (twelve years ago) link
Varg is a dick
― frogbs, stills, and nash (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 February 2012 05:25 (twelve years ago) link
a mellow and ingratiating musical rejoinder
lol @/w omar
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 10:18 (twelve years ago) link
Leadbelly, maybe; Varg, no.
― Brad C., Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:22 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
My answer may well turn to 'no' if it was a racially aggravated murder or murder and sexual assault, but then it would be the other elements I'd have the problem with. But even then, the question becomes easier if the artist themselves is dead.
― emil.y, Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:30 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkit's sort of funny that we can be more troubled by artists' ideological transgressions than by the idea that they might have, you know, killed people. makes sense because toxic ideologies are more likely to spread as a result of repetition and endorsement than plain old crazy murder, but still a little o_O
― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 February 2012 10:24 (twelve years ago) link
oops
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8tThgfUNWWs/SHqVq8Si8JI/AAAAAAAAADg/L7VI6tgmJ2M/s320/41PKP6QJWAL._SS400_.jpg
― Brad C., Thursday, 9 February 2012 12:53 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, probably, if the music was super awesome. I'm not expecting anyone who'd make music I'd consider to be super awesome to kill anyone, though.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 9 February 2012 13:13 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I own records that were made by convicted killers (though I bought them before it came to light, or before I was aware of it) so in practice, it's "If the music is good, yes."
There are definitely crimes that will cause me to stop buying or supporting an artist - though, for me it's finding out that someone is rapist or that someone is a wife-beater - obviously those are personal for me, and it's as much a condemnation of *what it means* as the act. That I do think there is a difference between someone getting in a fight and killing someone vs a calculated act of gendered violence.
Some of those choices have been quite hard, like "shit, I don't want to have to lose that artist's work, why'd he have to turn out to be one of the bad ones?" but when it's someone that it's pretty much cast their entire personality into question, that makes me wonder about mine own judgement in selecting to be a fan of that artist in the first place.
Not that I can only listen to artists whose views I find politically agreeable - in fact there are some artists where part of the appeal is that I find their politics/lifestyle/whatever so gross that it's fascinating. I think the fascination with Brian Jones definitely draws on this - this guy is a documented wifebeater - and yet, he's dead, his work is a historical artifact from a different time, when these things were viewed differently, and seeing how society's views have changed and not changed is part of my fascination with the guy. Because on the face of it, there's not that much difference between Brian Jones and Chris Brown, yet I condemn one and am utterly fascinated with the other? If Brian Jones were musically active now, and behaving like he behaved now, I would be disgusted with him and organising boycotts, but as a historical event, it does hold a fascination.
― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, 9 February 2012 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
I felt really weird about not wanting to listen to Pyrexia anymore after their frontman murdered those three dudes in Virginia a month ago. I guess it's harder to deal w/ when it happens less than a week after the Pulse incident and you're already sick of those "sovereign free men" assholes.
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 19 July 2016 01:30 (seven years ago) link
Was never a fan, but yeah, I can't imagine wanting to listen to Shute bellow angrily so soon after the fact. Generally, though, I'm less bothered by art made by people who've done terrible things than art that expresses* hateful ideology.
* or seems to represent by proxy, in the case of "apolitical" bands
― Best Beloved Trumppence (contenderizer), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 02:37 (seven years ago) link