tarkovsky's stalker

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I love this movie so much I can't help feeling personally offended whenever anyone shits on it.

tanuki, Sunday, 12 February 2012 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

If someone doesn't like this movie, I automatically don't like them. I think there's something wrong with the way they open their senses.

elan, Sunday, 12 February 2012 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

And we were headed for such a beautiful friendship, elan.

clemenza, Sunday, 12 February 2012 18:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

I know I should be beyond the point where I feel so personally about things outside of myself (I got shit for saying more or less the same thing about The Tree of Life on the sandbox movie thread) but I wonder if this movie doesn't work as a sort of litmus test about whether or not one feels sure they know what reality really is, or whether they (like I do) are in constant doubt as to what is real and what isn't. Mind, this is drawn from very little experience but I wonder if anyone else feels the same way.

tanuki, Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

also n.b. I don't think everyone who dislikes this movie is a terrible person, but maybe people who are sure of themselves also tend to dislike this movie.

tanuki, Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, i'm quite unsure of myself in certain respects (and full of headstrong confidence in others), but i like stalker and the tree of life primarily because i find them beautiful. i can certainly see why others might dislike either or both. they're long, slow, abstract and arguably pretentious films.

Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 12 February 2012 20:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ordered that Geoff Dyer book yesterday, really looking forward to it. One of my favourite writers on one of my favourite films.

I am using your worlds, Sunday, 12 February 2012 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's not like I think Stalker dislikers are bad or terrible! I just always feel like there's going to be a large gap between the way we experience things.

elan, Sunday, 12 February 2012 22:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

so with Zona out now, there'll be a Stalker screening in NYC Saturday eve with a panel (incl Walter Murch, Francine Prose, Phillip Lopate and Dyer) talking between the reels!

http://nyihumanities.org/event/tarkovsky-interruptus

G Kenny discusses the book (and Hoberman review of same) here:

http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2012/03/geoff-dyers-zona.html

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2012 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

um, I love Tarkovsky and shamefully have never watched all of the film. I think I'm going to attempt some multiple viewing, book reading, extravaganza

Walter Murch on a panel? I hope there's coverage or a recording of the talking.

valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 8 March 2012 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

just read abt that in the wsj & it was vague enough that i thought there was also a screening/talk on fri ;_; sounds rad tho

johnny crunch, Thursday, 8 March 2012 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Anyone read Dyer's bk?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

no

he looks like a nudnik

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ws reading his wiki -- he's written on a wide range of subjects, you know.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

yes but i saw him talking abt stalker w/ m kermode on bbc hds benighted 'the culture show'

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

& i distrust ppl called geoff

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

the bldgblog guy is named geoff and he seems ok

valleys of your mind (mh), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

in your opinion

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

ws saying it as something to distrust really - travel one min, jazz the next, now not only film but STALKER! Sounds like a mid-life crisis bk instead of a fully researced account of Tarkovsky and his (and Soviet cinema's) struggle w/the authorities.

Ah well..xxp

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

there was one broadsheet review which was all 'less abt tarkovsky than abt geoff dyer' as if that might be more enticing

The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

I've read books that ended up being semi-autobiographical about pretty boring people, this couldn't be worse

valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 9 March 2012 00:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not the recommenation I was looking for!

xyzzzz__, Friday, 9 March 2012 09:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2012/03/tarkovsky-interruptus.html

"...this emboldened Slate's Dana Stevens, whose contributions up to this point had been inoffensive enough to be ignorable/forgettable, to chime in about the "weak writing" in the film."

Why is Dana Stevens invited to these things? n.b. I can't recall ever reading a Dana Stevens review but her talks on the Culture Gabfest are...lacking.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Sunday, 11 March 2012 06:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

"cultural vegetable."

Never heard this term before, only 10 year olds dislike all vegetables.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 March 2012 10:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

that phrase was at the center of an NYT Magazine-launched brouhaha over "difficult/boring" films last year.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 March 2012 14:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

There was this not exactly good article on slow cinema. Liked it ended w/Akerman although the quote doesn't sound intelligent.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

wow, Kenny wrote they couldn't even find a good print for the New School thing. Imagine how universal that will be 10 years from now.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 March 2012 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

is it true that they all died from cancers they picked up while filming in that place?? i can't imagine how wading neck-deep in sewer water in an abandoned hydroelectric plant could have seemed like a good idea ... didn't they have an actor's union?

― renegade bear shot by cops on frat row (vahid)

tarkovsky, his wife, the DP, and the three lead actors all died within 15 yrs of this at relatively young ages iirc, at least three of them of cancer which i think was linked to the filming location (though not definitively.)

omar little, Sunday, 11 March 2012 22:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

A while back I read that it was some rare type of cancer. The fact that they all had it lent itself to the idea that it was caused by shared environmental exposure.

elan, Monday, 12 March 2012 00:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

From the Stalker wikipedia page:

Sound designer Vladimir Sharun recalls:
We were shooting near Tallinn in the area around the small river Jägala with a half-functioning hydroelectric station. Up the river was a chemical plant and it poured out poisonous liquids downstream. There is even this shot in Stalker: snow falling in the summer and white foam floating down the river. In fact it was some horrible poison. Many women in our crew got allergic reactions on their faces. Tarkovsky died from cancer of the right bronchial tube. And Tolya Solonitsyn too. That it was all connected to the location shooting for Stalker became clear to me when Larisa Tarkovskaya died from the same illness in Paris.[5]

elan, Monday, 12 March 2012 00:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh, there was another Dyer/screening today :p

http://www.movingimage.us/films/2012/03/11/detail/geoff-dyer-on-tarkovsky-cinema-and-life/

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2012 00:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

Have always heard about The Conquerer being a movie that was actually fatal for the people involved; had no idea the same happened with Stalker.

tanuki, Monday, 12 March 2012 01:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/mar/16/author-geoff-dyer-literary-establishment

^blood boils, etc.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 March 2012 08:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not really...just 'next', you know.

I am at fkn war w/proper spelling and punctuation tho'.

All nothing compared to the awfulness of people dying from the conditions surrounding the Stalker shoot. Was dimly aware of it when a camera man was talking about T and people who had passed on. A 5 min interview on a DVD that was a kinda gem. Wish I had that round here so I could remind myself of exactly what he said.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 17 March 2012 09:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I read Zona today - I enjoyed it. It's pretty short (you can probably read it in less time than it takes to watch the film) but that's probably for the best. It was a lot lighter than I expected it to be - more of a cultural sorbet than a cultural vegetable.

windborne grey frogs (dowd), Saturday, 17 March 2012 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I forgot why I posted. A quote from Zona

"As such it would have rendered that line of Stalker's - 'Home at last' - rather odd. [footnote-] Or maybe not. In the years when I used to go to Burning Man in the Black Rock Desert, we were greeted at the festival entrance with the words 'Welcome Home!' and tears always welled up in my eyes because it was true, because I believed absolutely in the Temporal Autonomous Zone of Black Rock City."

windborne grey frogs (dowd), Saturday, 17 March 2012 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

^ interview here - more of a lamentation for people who passed on, love that shot of the lamp going off..

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 March 2012 01:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

inside report from fukushima nuclear reactor evacuation zone

Milton Parker, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

Roadside Picnic coming back into print (in English) for the first time in 30 years fwiw

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

bought it at B&N a couple of weeks ago actually!

I cannot host as my wife hates Walker (latebloomer), Friday, 4 May 2012 07:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

More on the video game:

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/may/01/zone-chernobyl-tarkovsky-video-game/

toby, Friday, 4 May 2012 08:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

> Roadside Picnic coming back into print (in English) for the first time in 30 years fwiw

amazon.co.uk have always had copies. in fact there as SF Masterworks edition which must be newer as the imprint isn't 30 years old. (2007 it says)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roadside-Picnic-MASTERWORKS-Boris-Strugatsky/dp/0575079789/ref=sr_1_1

koogs, Friday, 4 May 2012 08:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah I read the SF Masterworks edition in 2008.

treefell, Friday, 4 May 2012 12:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

My brother gave me the Geoff Dyer book for my birthday, but I haven't read it yet. Not sure what to expect.

Moodles, Friday, 4 May 2012 13:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

A heart-stopping, high-octane thrill ride that never let's up, that's what

bark ruffalo (latebloomer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Dyer's greatest regret in life = a good punchline, esp. 'cause you suspect he's serious.

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

okay in AMERICA I should have said

xp

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

the vid milton posted is amazing

ogmor, Monday, 7 May 2012 23:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

otm, completely mesmerising.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have an english PDF of roadside picnic ... one of the fort thunder guys had it downloadable on his website, i believe it was m4t br1nkm4n ... maybe it was even the fort thunder website itself?

seems to have been taken down now but i can share if anybody would like.

the late great, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink


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