Paul Thomas Anderson: C or D?

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The latter was interesting for being a long-take film in fast-cut contemporary Hollywood but otherwise seemed fairly routine.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

The latter was interesting for being a long-take film in fast-cut contemporary Hollywood

amateurist=the film Geir? ;)

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

"What are all you people's thoughts on Brian DePalma? " --

strangely, the first thing that comes to mind is the laughable scene in "Dressed to Kill" where the black thugs at the train station exist solely to menace Nancy Allen and chase after her purty lil' white booty... i.e. their blackness is used as shorthand for "menacing strangers"... and this from a guy who howls at reruns of "All in the Family", okay!

absolute skittles, Monday, 28 April 2003 22:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

i really love de palma, and snake eyes was whiplash inducing.

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love Mission Impossible. The first scene I thought was a great classic De Palma trick. I also loved Femme Fatale, largely for the opening sequence too. But I'm just crazy about the guy, his major and glaring weaknesses notwithstanding. Amateurist, you should really check out Obsession, Body Double, Dressed to Kill, Carlito's Way etc. I can think of no better set-piece director.

slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Snake Eyes... too bad about the ending, great opening (like many of De Palma's movies--only sometimes it's the other way around).

slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

But to avoid derailing this thread even further, I'm going to go start a C/D / S/D on the hot new I Love Film board!

slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

i don't necessarily prefer long takes to fast cutting but de palma is notable for bucking the general trend--quite self-consciously too. m. night shyamalan and woody allen do this too.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do you like Bela Tarr, amateurist? --->king of the long take!

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

tarkovsky has takes so long you go past boredom into something else entirely.

ryan, Monday, 28 April 2003 22:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

belá tarr has nothing on miklós jancsó. watch for the dvd of elektra, my love coming out next month. several 9-minute takes.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 28 April 2003 22:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am with anthong on Magnolia. The beauty in all the overwrought catharsis going on is watching the characters bend before they break.

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

god that makes me hate it, where before i just kinda didn't like it.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I really love DiPalma these days. Dressed To Kill is probably my favorite with The Fury, Carrie, Blow Out and Phantom Of The Paradise coming in behind it. The Untouchables and Sisters are fun. Scarface would suck less if Oliver Stone hadn't written it and Mission To Mars, Raising Cain and Bonfire Of The Vanities are pretty embarassing. Haven't seen the rest.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yo, we got a whole thread on the guy over at ILF! It's crazy!

slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm a little disappointed in the 1970s-90s film brat emphasis of ILF so far but i suppose it's incumbent on me to change that. i really don't care much for or about anderscortino.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

god that makes me hate it, where before i just kinda didn't like it.

god that is so ILM

bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

like, totally.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm a little disappointed in the 1970s-90s film brat emphasis of ILF so far but i suppose it's incumbent on me to change that. i really don't care much for or about anderscortino.

it's been around for like six hours dude.

slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

time passes slowly up here in the prairie.

amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

so start some threads yo!

slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 00:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think it's too early to say whether he's C or D, really. Which is why amateurist and others are otm about the early hype being debilitating towards true artistic growth.

At least he's better than Aronofsky, imo, who is even more entrenched in flashy filmschooly formalism at the expensive of character development.

Vic, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 03:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

don't even get me started on that chump

slutsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 04:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

expensive of...

hah expense, sorry

Vic, Tuesday, 29 April 2003 04:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

just saw werckmeister harmonies......it was like a totally boring nightmare. it was terrifying, but also quite boring.

something about tarkovsky's supa long takes makes them more tolerable. i think its because they seem to be just images with a real aesthetic quality to them, whereas bela tarr just had very long shots of people walking, for like, 7 minutes. sometimes it owkred, but as i got more tired, i got less patient. and it seemed to be underlong in some places: the point where the looters find the old man in the bath could have dwwelt a bit longer on the scene...

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 08:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm a little disappointed in the 1970s-90s film brat emphasis of ILF so far

WTF?? There are only six or seven threads (!) and at least three of them are just me waffling about nothing. I'm not sure if Amateurist is being funny when he gets like this. Or is he just 1 BIG hata? :p

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 09:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

To be fair, don't you think there'll be a period of "film-brat"-centric muscle-flexing and namedropping before we finally diversify and do some talking?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 09:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Re:long takes -->Aleksandr Sokurov to thread!

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 09:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

god i saw the trailer for that yesterday. why do they constantly make shit trailers? like, the only thing to see russian ark for is 'one continous take yadda yadda yadda' therres more to it than just 200000000actors and such. it wasnt as abd as it could have been...

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 29 April 2003 09:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
someone told me 'punch-drunk love' denigrates mentally ill people.

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 20 June 2004 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

(wow, some classic amateur!st on this thread.)

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 20 June 2004 16:39 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
does anyone think 'punch-drunk love' denigrates the mentally ill?

uk ilxors, magnolia is on ch. 4 tonight, 11pm.

cºzen (Cozen), Sunday, 29 August 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
i think 'pdl' is pretty good on mental health front. 'sympathetic'? not quite the right wd.

henry miller, Friday, 7 January 2005 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think it denigrates the mentally ill at all. I'd be interested to hear more from whoever made that statment.

papa november (papa november), Friday, 7 January 2005 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

My favourite movie of all time is Magnolia.
...despite what a smart dude sez in Salon
...or on ILE

peepee (peepee), Friday, 7 January 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link

...actually, I just read that Salon piece, and I take away what I said about him in the previous post.

peepee (peepee), Friday, 7 January 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

what does charles t say that's so smart? regulation salon literary values is all i got. it took me three viewings to like 'magnolia' and i was bitterly disappointed at first. but i guess as a paulette taylor wouldn't bother with thinking twice.

henry miller, Friday, 7 January 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Magnolia is not a movie that I recommend to people, just because I don't think its for everyone. And because it's somewhat taxing, and it requires patience from the viewer. Only one other movie (Dancer in the Dark) did I witness more people leaving the theatre during a film.

So now then...

http://www.ptanderson.com/featurefilms/magnolia/articlesandinterviews/magessay.htm

peepee (peepee), Friday, 7 January 2005 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"PT" are good initials for him.

Boogie Nights and Magnolia are both overweening Grand Statements -- saying what, I couldn't tell you. Tho the frogs ALMOST saved Magnolia.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the 'coincidence' stuff doesn't work so well in magnolia. it isn't a coincidence that two men who worked in tv are dying of cancer and that their offspring have unresolved issues -- it's just how things work. perhaps with an old-stlyle script ed, 'magnolia' would be a taught melodrama about a family falling apart, not coming together, as the patriarch dies.

but the vvv enjoyable scorsese-altman fest 'boogie nights' is not a big statement. it's just a lot of fun.

henry miller, Friday, 7 January 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i might be able to watch magnolia soon. i used to love it, but at some point in the past couple years i lost my patience with it, or it was just too open-wound-y or something. currently, i think BN>M>HE>PDL. i mean, i think i understand how and why so many people like PDL, but i dunno - i cant quite do it.

peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i have to fess to not getting 'hard eight'. i blame my g/f, who hates gwyneth paltrow and kept making obvious faces throughout the whole video.

henry miller, Friday, 7 January 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

PDF of new Esquire feature on PTA's early years: http://www.cigarettesandredvines.com/news/?p=197

caek, Friday, 19 September 2008 00:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Nice read!

Nhex, Friday, 19 September 2008 05:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Good! I haven't actually read it myself yet.

caek, Friday, 19 September 2008 10:12 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Is there a 'There will be blood' thread on here? Finally saw this the other day and I need the ILE assessment.

sam500, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 01:18 (fifteen years ago) link

for starters:

daniel day lewis is the most important person in the world

pro bowl was fun (omar little), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 01:21 (fifteen years ago) link

cheerz. need to brush up on my searching technique.

sam500, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 01:22 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Paul Thomas Anderson set to shoot his Scientology film

Paul Thomas Anderson set to shoot his Scientology film Paul Thomas Anderson, director of Magnolia and Boogie Nights, is set to start shooting a movie about a science fiction author who founds a religion. Called his "untitled Scientology film," it will star Philip Seymour Hoffman as the "master."

This movie, nicknamed The Master by fans, has been in the works for a while and has had a number of cool actors attached. But now the Cigarettes and Red Vines blog has gotten confirmation from Anderson himself that the movie starts shooting soon. Anybody who has seen Magnolia - with that scene where the motivational speaker character screams, "RESPECT the COCK!" - knows that Anderson's the right director to do this thing.

The Playlist got its hands on an early script for the movie, and reports:

"The Master" is the story of a charismatic intellectual (Philip Seymour Hoffman) who hatches a faith-based organization that begins to catch on in America in 1952 called The Cause. The core dynamic centers on the relationship between The Master and Freddie Sutton, (would be absolutely perfect for Paul Dano) an aimless twenty-something drifter and alcoholic who eventually becomes the leader's loyal lieutenant. As the faith begins to gain a fervent following, Freddie finds himself questioning the belief system he has embraced, and his mentor.

Apparently there are enough parallels between the life story of L. Ron Hubbard and the "master" character to make it abundantly obvious what this movie is about. Even though, for legal reasons, you won't hear the S-word mentioned.

johnny crunch, Saturday, 17 July 2010 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link

He turns 71 in a few days

Really? Wow--had no idea. I would never have guessed that Boogie Nights was made by someone almost 50; always thought PTA was around 30 at the time.

clemenza, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 21:02 (three years ago) link

PTA is 50 now, he's referring to Elswit.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 21:05 (three years ago) link

I'm laughing at myself...that makes sense.

clemenza, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 21:12 (three years ago) link

Lol, I pointed that because I also misread it at first but realized that couldn't possibly be right.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 April 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link

Just watched Phantom Thread the other day and wow what a film... why do I have such a love/hate relationship with PTA? Couldn't stand Magnolia, Punch Drunk Love, and Inherent Vice but I adored Boogie Nights, There Will Be Blood and now Phantom Thread. What a weirdo.

octobeard, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 21:35 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

yeah, they're shooting that up in Humboldt County. A bunch of PA's went into a thrift store multiple times to buy clothes for the extras, they're stoked

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 30 January 2024 20:35 (three months ago) link

Vineland? Holy Shit! Is that confirmed?

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 30 January 2024 23:17 (three months ago) link

More details... they're being cagey about what they're filming

https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/leonardo-dicaprio-eureka-arcata-movie-filming-bc-18636090.php

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 30 January 2024 23:44 (three months ago) link

DiCaprio in a bathrobe and scenes of paramilitary forces would definitely fit.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Wednesday, 31 January 2024 12:53 (three months ago) link

the thing i saw said the movie had a "contemporary" setting

circles, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 13:25 (three months ago) link

Disappointed Leo isn't wearing the party dress and carrying the ladies' chainsaw.

Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 31 January 2024 13:57 (three months ago) link

More cast announced: Alana Haim, Teyana Taylor, Wood Harris, Shayna McHayle (aka Junglepussy)

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/paul-thomas-anderson-alana-haim-teyana-taylor-1235813631/

jaymc, Saturday, 3 February 2024 05:13 (two months ago) link

Chase Infiniti does already feel like a Pynchon name tbh

Piedie Gimbel, Saturday, 3 February 2024 10:10 (two months ago) link

PTA was shooting in downtown Sacramento on Saturday :D

Sacramento Bee included this v bitchy aside in the report “The film is reportedly based on the Thomas Pynchon novel "Vineland." In a biting Associated Press review that ran in The Sacramento Bee on March 4, 1990, Mario Szichman called the novel "a sea of boredom, sailed by hardly recognizable characters." “

Noted. Thx for that
lmao “biting”

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:10 (two months ago) link

I know you'll recognize this: "It's a honor to leave the Chronicle and go work for the Sacramento Bee. Dare to dream, right, Robert?"

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:40 (two months ago) link

looool yes I loved that line lmao

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 01:41 (two months ago) link

Lol

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 6 February 2024 12:38 (two months ago) link


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