FUCK EDITORS

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THEN WALK!! also take them to small claims court, the fuckers

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:34 (twenty years ago) link

if we were meant to write for mags for free, god wouldn't have invented the internet

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:34 (twenty years ago) link

ok logically that doesn't work but you know what i'm saying

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:35 (twenty years ago) link

Does America have anything as socialistic as the small claims court?

Trife I think I still owe you a CD or two!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:37 (twenty years ago) link

TAKE THEM TO SMALL CLAIMS COURT - no joke. and publicise the hell out of it - fliers everywhere.

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:37 (twenty years ago) link

also, since you're a freelancer remind them of that Supreme Court decision stating they can't put your shit up on the website after six months (???) without your permission (you haven't signed anything have you?).

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:39 (twenty years ago) link

im sorry thats stupid i i dont wnt to fuck with them just wanted to write about music : (

trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:42 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, sad but true - you can't write for them if you're gonna care about what you write.

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:44 (twenty years ago) link

this is anticon's revenge ...
no, seriously, fuck'em and find someone else to write for. i've been there and there's always some other magazine thats bigger or better. just remember to drop a few lines (but not too many!) about the amateurishness of flagpole to whatever new mag you're ending up at. they love that kind of shit.

Jay K (Jay K), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:46 (twenty years ago) link

theyt only said they pay me five dollars for a review anywqay!!!!!!

trife (simon_tr), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:48 (twenty years ago) link

hence SMALL CLAIMS court

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:49 (twenty years ago) link

look mang joo knife they ok joo know whay

chuy_loco (chuy_loco), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:50 (twenty years ago) link

i've once written for 20$ a review, but five???? WTF??? Get your ass outta there! the 20$ mag didn't even fuck up my reviews.

Jay K (Jay K), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:51 (twenty years ago) link

write for spizzazz

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 07:53 (twenty years ago) link

Something else to add to Trife's list: don't edit a 1000 word article tracing an artist's last 10 years of work down to 500 by removing the last 500 words. Cos then it looks as if the artist hasn't done anything since 1997. Plus, the new record they're actually promoting doesn't even get mentioned.

Unbelievable.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 09:39 (twenty years ago) link

they always do this... one particular piece of advice to editors: NEVER FUCKING INTRODUCE WORDS LIKE "SUFFERATION" INTO MY WORK EVER!!!

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 10:06 (twenty years ago) link

I *did* 'fuck an editor' once. I never called her again though, and I also didn't get any more assignments.

dave q, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 11:31 (twenty years ago) link

I *did* 'fuck an editor' once. I never called her again though, and I also didn't get any more assignments.
Sounds like you've got a legitimate sexual harrassment claim there.

I am currently (also constantly) at war with my, uh, superior here. He's not my editor, but sort of thinks he is, as he is the chief music writer or whatever. But he doesn't do any editing, and he never sees my copy until he reads it in print (the actual editor, I like, he's a nice guy).
But my, uh, supervisor just asked me when the hell am I going to write reviews again, since I've done only two or three since May. I said that I don't get anything to review. Because all the promos get sent to him and all he passes on to me are Klezmer reissues and sub-indie folk releases. And I've reviewed those, and whatever other releases he deems "NEED" to be reviewed the same week that he's reviewing something else that "NEEDS" to be reviewed. I've essentially been his bitch for two years now, and fuckit. I'm three times the writer he'll ever be (and that's not saying much, but, y'know, I AM competent, I've been doing this for 6 years) and I deserve at least the pretense of respect.

Howev, he is in tight with The Brass 'round here, so there isn't even anyone I could talk to about this and sort of say "hey, this guy is being a fuckwad. I still want to write for your paper [=I like the way your cheques clear], but this guy is making it impossible."

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

dude, "sufferation" is a GREAT word

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

also, since you're a freelancer remind them of that Supreme Court decision stating they can't put your shit up on the website after six months (???)

Tasini v. New York Times.

Larcole (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

This is where I say I'm glad Matos is one of my editors. Every change he runs by me by pointing out how something is weak or poorly phrased and can be improved -- in otherwards, he's actually constructive! -- and then trusts in me to make those changes before adding a small finishing touch here and there as needed. So yay him!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:36 (twenty years ago) link

Best editors I have ever worked with: Melissa Maerz, Ira Robbins, Heather Willis

Editors that I haven't worked with enough, but who have treated me very well: Matos, Chuck Eddy

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

sigh

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

sufferation is a great word when used by jamaicans w/ dreads, not pseudo-intellectual white-boy dancehall enthusiasts... plus it was used in a piece about the wild bunch who didn't do a lot of suffering...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:48 (twenty years ago) link

It sounds like it could be used in "Eve of Destruction"

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 15:52 (twenty years ago) link

Gregory Hines could say it when he's chasing her!

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

so, um, where can we see this review in its altered state?

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

Eth, you can always ask your editor to run any changes by you first - if you respond to emails quickly, some editors won't mind this, and when there's a "change this to this"/"OK I'll change it but try my revision instead of yours" exchange it often solves what the editor sees as a problem without you having to see your name on a piece of shit. NB it sounds like your editor is one of those who changes things just so he/she can feel like an editor, though, in which case this approach is pointless

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 16:53 (twenty years ago) link

I used to have to deal with this with one of my old editors, who was then new and in the shadow of the guy who had built up the mag from nothing and obviously feeling like he had to prove himself to the stable of snarly writers he had inherited.
He had put one of his jokes into one of my things, and since I like to think that I'm pretty good at putting jokes into things, I was quite distraught by the insertion of non-HM humour into my piece. So I threatened to quit, and he said, "okay. do you know how many people are willing to suck my dick to do what you do?"

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

if any editors are reading this i love you all and you should give me work

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

Yes! Editors should always run the final by you for approval.

I'd also like to throw a "Yay" at Keith Harris. That is all.

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

you could always finish up that stranded piece on reanimation for stylus, trife. not that we need something for next week or anything.

toddlburns, Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:28 (twenty years ago) link

J0hn - the "could ya maybe run things by me first" gambit has been attempted many times, to no avail

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:34 (twenty years ago) link

and really trife if you're not looking for money you really should write for stylus, spizzazz, freaky trigger, whatever - the readership's gonna be bigger and smarter (potentially deffer even).

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

Chuck is grate, every fudge word is a sonar pulse that he has special receptors for. I already write differently, taking out stuff like "seems like to me" and "pretty much" &tc.

The only trouble I had was realizing I actually had a specific assignment :(

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

That is pretty cool but what if you're honestly ambivalent about something?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

ride the snake

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, it seems to me that's pretty much a different case. :)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

Astounding!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

writing for the voice makes the stuff i wrote prior to writing for the voice read like a different person

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

You still write the same around here, though, don't you? Or not?

trife I really hope "rat-faced leprechaun" was referring to Jermaine Dupri.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

ha tracer check out twee emoticon using jess from august 2001! to everything, turn turn turn

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

tracer: yup!

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

An editor once inserted the phrase, "But who cares, 'cuz it rocks!" at then end of a Korn review I wrote.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

(at THE end, of course. [...who cares, 'cuz that post rocked!])

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

An editor once inserted the phrase, "But who cares, 'cuz it rocks!" at the end of a Korn review I wrote.

Whoa. Was it a negative review?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

I hesitate linking the other review cuz it was really fuckt with, it's a bit old hat for ilx, and it might stir up a nest of corny indie fuxxx (which is the point - this is for an alt-weakly in athens, where hipster record stores pride themselves on not stocking rap - but outta that context and into this I hesitate). (not hard to find following that other link though).

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

If I remember, I was trying to make the slightly complex point that even though the album would be pretty irritating to most ears, it would still please the kids who scrawl "Korn rocks!" in the AOL chat rooms (i.e., it was a success on the terms of the band and its fans). (This was before Korn got huge; they were still kind of a niche skater freak-rock band.) But all that got removed, in favor of "Who cares, 'cuz it rocks!"

The guy was a really poor editor.

Sam J. (samjeff), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

the review really does read like trife's flow has been fucked -- like standerd alt-write dropped inna middle of his bing-bam idea-rattle.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:06 (twenty years ago) link

trife you might wanna play the "listen you amateur fuck - I wrote for pitchfork! thas right - PITCHFORK!", it might work (in athens)

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 16 July 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, it would be one thing if the edits weren't introducing errors into the text, you know?

MikoMcha, Thursday, 4 December 2014 10:13 (nine years ago) link

Totally. I hear what you're saying and am on your side.

To be clear, I do write and ask for typos and other errors to be corrected. And by errors, I don't so much mean factual stuff, but more like "this alteration of my word choice changed the meaning of this sentence slightly enough to where it's not quite right now" or "this edit messed up the subject/verb agreement" ... but still, it's mostly typos added by someone who ... uh ... maybe lacks attention to detail? Or is in too much of a hurry. Or both.

And I pick my battles on some of the more phrasing/readability kinds of things. Partly because I know that's subjective, but moreso because if I write asking for 2 or 3 typos to be fixed, I don't want to feel like I'm high-maintenance by also asking for "bigger" stuff, for lack of a better word.

I really see both sides ... dealwithit.gif and "no, you should deal with it" ... again, appreciate the chance to vent and the feedback. Truly.

alpine static, Thursday, 4 December 2014 10:50 (nine years ago) link

four months pass...

better to work with an editor you trust at a place with less name recognition than a place that turns your writing into pulp

imo

whiney's advice was better in an era where a strong editorial hand was common & publications had stronger voices but now there's a chance you're being edited by a 22 year old

deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 6 April 2015 12:22 (nine years ago) link

when i wrote about music - i remember this one editor changed "that's a bold claim" to "them's fightin' words"

annoys me thinking about it and it was about 12 years ago

Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Monday, 6 April 2015 12:29 (nine years ago) link

lol

Albanic Kanun Autark (nakhchivan), Monday, 6 April 2015 13:00 (nine years ago) link

keepin' that ol' meme alivey

Romantic Canon Autech' (imago), Monday, 6 April 2015 13:02 (nine years ago) link

Haha the writing equivalent of wearing suspenders or a handlebar mustache

deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 6 April 2015 13:31 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4S2LvMKMrA

deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 6 April 2015 13:34 (nine years ago) link

Thought this thread was about the band

, Monday, 6 April 2015 13:47 (nine years ago) link

the worst kind of editor is one who swaps your phrase in clear English for a cliché.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 April 2015 13:48 (nine years ago) link

otm.

Junior Dictionary (LocalGarda), Monday, 6 April 2015 13:52 (nine years ago) link

six years pass...

send the freelance pitch at 5:15 pm Wednesday on the East Coast or wait till Thursday morning?

alpine static, Wednesday, 30 March 2022 21:16 (two years ago) link

Thursday morning is my instinct

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 21:22 (two years ago) link

mine too. the pitch is probably too long and has taken too much time, which has landed me here!

alpine static, Wednesday, 30 March 2022 21:28 (two years ago) link

a good pitch is sent at 2am and explains why it was sent at 2am

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 30 March 2022 21:35 (two years ago) link

i thought this thread was about the band editors

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 21:37 (two years ago) link

probably should've revived a different, less aggressively titled thread

alpine static, Wednesday, 30 March 2022 21:43 (two years ago) link


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