quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

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is north dakota ready for orthodox brooklyn jews? well they'd better be, because that's where the action is in 2012

mookieproof, Monday, 12 March 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago) link

i tried to read this guy's woody allen movie review and i couldn't believe it was written by someone over the age of 17.

"This sounds like the same noble savage fantasy that’s made the rounds of literature ever since Jean Jacques Rousseau. The jungle and the farm are noble. The city and “civilization” are corrupting. Contrast Tarzan with Dorian Gray. In Tarzan immoral Londoners deceive the innocent ape-man, who knows more about honesty and decency than they. In The Picture of Dorian Gray, the urban and urbane Dorian is a selfish, immoral monster. Clearly, he’d spent too much time in the civilized world and not enough time swinging from the trees in the jungle. These depictions are fantasies, not just because they are written by fiction writers. They are fantasies because crime rates are lower among city-dwellers than among primitives. Murder rates in Europe today are about one-tenth as high as in 1300AD, when just about everyone lived on the farm. As societies have become more focused on trade, commerce, and capitalism, they have become less violent, not more. In ancient burial grounds for primitive people, between 20-50 percent of the skeletons appear to have been bludgeoned to death. Unfortunately, Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby falls into the same fantasy camp as Tarzan."

http://www.toddbuchholz.com/archives/713

scott seward, Monday, 12 March 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

this guy taught at harvard? is his biography on that webpage actually real? does he actually live in his moms' basement? i'm skeptical...

scott seward, Monday, 12 March 2012 01:58 (twelve years ago) link

"Some Occupy protestors wave posters, whiskey and hypodermic needles. Others clutch iPads, Kindles and Nooks. I wonder how many are reading The Great Gatsby."

scott seward, Monday, 12 March 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link

all his stuff really belongs on that stuff you read that sounds like an onion headline thread.

scott seward, Monday, 12 March 2012 02:00 (twelve years ago) link

what's really amazing is that someone at the NYT thought that this poorly-thought-out grab-bag of lazy, smug opinions was actually worth publishing. the NYT used to be known as "the paper of record," wasn't it? does this shit reflect staffers' opinions about allegedly shiftless young 'uns, were they blown away by this jackass's "impressive" credentials?!? God help us in either case.

― kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:53 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

my theory is that they are giving this guy enough rope

flagp∞st (dayo), Monday, 12 March 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago) link

I eagerly await artisanal oil hand-extracted from local oil shale

flagp∞st (dayo), Monday, 12 March 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Lk4JhidxY

scott seward, Monday, 12 March 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link

the weirdest thing is the springsteen bits tho - born to run was responsible for the amazing prosperity of the 70s...but then people heard tom joad in the 90s and boy was that a bleak decade.

iatee, Monday, 12 March 2012 02:05 (twelve years ago) link

Hoopleheads

Jeff, Monday, 12 March 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago) link

this one reminds me of sctv in a way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnb-BVb8V8&feature=related

scott seward, Monday, 12 March 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago) link

the NYT also publishes tom friedman, david brooks, Goldman Sachs apologist Andrew Ross Sorkin = there ARE people there who are clueless enough to take this Todd Buchholz fellow seriously. (paul krugman and nick kristoff are aberrations.)

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Monday, 12 March 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago) link

yeah I don't think you need a theory for why they printed this guy, the nyt prints stupid shit each and every day

iatee, Monday, 12 March 2012 02:11 (twelve years ago) link

they really do.

scott seward, Monday, 12 March 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

there are people who actually take david brooks seriously. real people who are alive right now on earth.

scott seward, Monday, 12 March 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

Notice how popular the prefix "i" has become among young people. A Nickelodeon TV show called "iCarly" has ranked first in the ratings among tweens. The term has morphed from a precise descriptor of self to an all purpose modifier that stresses the new digital frontier. Fortunately, societies that emphasize technology and creativity are likely to thrive.
The American company Apple was instrumental in this craze with their iPod, iPhone, and iPad products. Apple's late founder was Steve Jobs, whose very name shows us that today's younger generation is obsessed with jobs.

I DIED, Monday, 12 March 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago) link

unassailable rebuttal

I DIED, Monday, 12 March 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

also, dude missed another point of grapes of wrath -- the Joads et al moved out to California only b/c they literally had NOTHING in Oklahoma any more, INCLUDING any sort of community or social network (all of those other Okies moving to California who used to be their neighbors, fellow congregants, etc.) which others upthread already mentioned ... did this guy even bother to take Sociology 101 whilst at Harvard?!?

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Monday, 12 March 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

omg I DIED

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Monday, 12 March 2012 02:27 (twelve years ago) link

The whole ending of Grapes of Wrath is a kind of ironic commentary on the false hope of the mentality this guy is espousing.

the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Monday, 12 March 2012 02:29 (twelve years ago) link

i died otm as ever

mookieproof, Monday, 12 March 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link

im trying to formulate a thought abt this but i cant get past the fact that someone thinks moving to north dakota is a solution to anything

lag∞n, Monday, 12 March 2012 03:09 (twelve years ago) link

even if somebody really wanted to move to north dakota I'm not sure I'd recommend moving to north dakota as being the right solution

flagp∞st (dayo), Monday, 12 March 2012 03:11 (twelve years ago) link

real talk

catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 12 March 2012 03:28 (twelve years ago) link

someone get xhuxk klosterman on the phone

mookieproof, Monday, 12 March 2012 03:30 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't know where else to put this, story is from readwriteweb via NYT but um....whaaaaat the fuck:

http://m.readwriteweb.com/archives/sxsw_in_a_nutshell_homeless_people_as_hotspots.php

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 March 2012 04:35 (twelve years ago) link

ha i almost posted that here too

lag∞n, Monday, 12 March 2012 04:36 (twelve years ago) link

seriously I am just O_o

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 March 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link

haha ok to make it legal heres the sort of actual nyt on the topic http://nytsxsw.tumblr.com/post/19145988299/getting-a-decent-data-connection-at-sxsw-can-be-a

lag∞n, Monday, 12 March 2012 04:41 (twelve years ago) link

its too ridiculous i cant even be mad

lag∞n, Monday, 12 March 2012 04:41 (twelve years ago) link

Mr Veg thinks it's funny and I am still kinda speechless

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 March 2012 04:44 (twelve years ago) link

if someone dropped a bomb on sxsw the world would just carry on

lag∞n, Monday, 12 March 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link

yeah I wd be okay with that

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 March 2012 04:47 (twelve years ago) link

currently: seeking employment as a human hotspot

Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 12 March 2012 04:56 (twelve years ago) link

not at all quiddy but a great image+url combo

God: Huummm (forksclovetofu), Monday, 12 March 2012 05:01 (twelve years ago) link

that pic is great

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 March 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link

zombie pigs coming for u nyc

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 March 2012 05:20 (twelve years ago) link

we all get what we deserve *oink oink*

elan, Monday, 12 March 2012 07:29 (twelve years ago) link

what this guy says about fb & Springsteen is obv dumb & I don't want to speculate on generation limbo's gestalt but the idea of moving to follow the work seems right to me. I get Mordy's point about the value of community & roots, but I don't have those things in the USA (immigrant family) so it's hard for me to relate to. & I guess I have ideas about the value of labor for a good life, & so uprooting for that, if needs be, is worthwhile. clown me all you want for my North Dakota comments, but if there are jobs in California, or Arizona, or overseas, then fine: it seems to me compelling that you would at least take seriously the idea of going there.

short answer: I undervalue place & (over?)value work in terms of the good life; but I want to resist overvaluing the former & undervaluing the latter.

Euler, Monday, 12 March 2012 09:07 (twelve years ago) link

Generation Y has become Generation Why Bother

BOOM

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 March 2012 10:28 (twelve years ago) link

A Disney TV show called “So Random!” has ranked first in the ratings among tweens. The word has morphed from a precise statistical term to an all-purpose phrase that stresses the illogic and coincidence of life. Unfortunately, societies that emphasize luck over logic are not likely to thrive.

i just

fuck

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 March 2012 10:33 (twelve years ago) link

sorry, what i meant to say was

http://gifsoup.com/view/171204/danny-glover-s-thoughtful-nod-o.gif

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 March 2012 10:41 (twelve years ago) link

that use of 'random' has been in popular middle school argot at least, since 1990 / gates not crumbling yet

a serious minestrone rockist (remy bean), Monday, 12 March 2012 10:43 (twelve years ago) link

not sure you are grasping the predictive power of word-cloud as cultural astrology, remy - buchholz gets it

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 March 2012 10:47 (twelve years ago) link

i understand better when there's an interactive piece of scalable text art attached; i'll wait for the meme version.

a serious minestrone rockist (remy bean), Monday, 12 March 2012 10:54 (twelve years ago) link

i'm pretty sure people still move for jobs. even young people. despite what crazy bad writer says.

scott seward, Monday, 12 March 2012 12:42 (twelve years ago) link

but but FACEBOOK

Wesley Crusher: Teenage F#ck Machine (forksclovetofu), Monday, 12 March 2012 12:52 (twelve years ago) link

the mystifying lack of interest in paying monthly car insurance

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 March 2012 13:00 (twelve years ago) link


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