Rolling Dance Partisans 2012

well, you do write music reviews and post to ILM

― the late great, Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:18 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

It wasn't an allegation Tim. We're not in court. Just thought you were wrong, and over-injecting your own baggage.

xpost no quite seriously it's both the most logical and potentially-correct spin I can put on it.

OTOH I'm not sure how it accounts for all the times I've been quite self-impressed with my take on something and not projected it onto the music at hand.

At any rate my use of the word "impressed" was maybe misleading anyway. It's not so much that the DVA album sounds smug or self-satisfied to me (if anything, DVA as an artist strikes me as restless, impatient, quick to grow bored with his past ideas - perhaps too much so, even); more that several of its "targets" are targets which I think have been improperly framed - as if these songs are the correct answers to the wrong questions.

Josephine said upthread that "Half of the DVA album probably belongs in that psych r&b thread." I agree with this obv and I wonder if people's reactions to the stuff on that thread provide a good guide to their likely reactions to this album and vice versa; when I think of the avant-R&B stuff that I like most (Kings, Me'Shell, Quadron, etc.) it's stuff that doesn't really go to great lengths to emphasise its unusualness or "avant"-ness or etc but instead uses its disparate sonic influences and ideas as yet another means of expressing more typical notions of beauty, groove, lushness etc. etc. - similar to how, say, Timbaland's classic work may have been startling and engrossing but rarely difficult-to-love. I guess I like stuff to sound a little bit effortless, even if it's clear that a lot of skill and accomplishment has gone into it. Whereas the DVA album sounds to me like it's tense-with-effort.

And (sigh) as usual my curiosity re what someone is trying to say is portrayed as hyper-defensive, hyper-pendantic, hyper-legalistic... This grates a bit, because I think I tend to react to personal jabs quite reasonably. But whatever.

i don't really understand the difference between a pop hook and a non-pop hook.

Phrased as an "either/or", I'd agree.

However, I think it's not too controversial to say that different things register as "hooks" in different contexts - like, to use an extreme example, a hook in a gabba track might be the kind of thing you'd never deploy in a pop song (though in a post-Guetta world even that may no longer be true).

More subtly, e.g, certain tricks in an R&B tune "work" better if you approach with an R&B frame of reference rather than a pop one. But it's not like as listeners we really consciously change hats in this fashion very often. It's more easily discerned in e.g. how many popjustice types consistently fail to get certain R&B. Their problem, obv.

In the case of DVA, I personally don't think saying the hooks are non-pop really explains away their lack of purchase - the Vikter Duplaix track, for example, works like a Vikter Duplaix track, but doesn't hit me nearly so hard as "Manhood" or "Messages" or "Looking For Love". It's not really the case that those tunes have "pop" hooks whereas "Madness" has another kind of hook; they're just better songs, is all.

a hook is a hook

in lots of pop songs the real hook is an instrumental thing or a sound

this thread is getting about as dry as a hessle comp.

Sounding a little exasperated, DVA continues: "I just needed a change, bruv – I mean, six years of something is long. Imagine you’re with a girl for six years. You know what I mean? You’d probably split up! It just gets boring. Not that the show got boring, but six years of anything is long, so you’ve got to change up your life".

haha. IMAGINE!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjJui88Zq2Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLgeqX-Tjvk

loving this new paul woolford thing

http://soundcloud.com/platform/special-request-alone

So shit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q5SdAFlk_Q

baby boy loose this track, baby boy loose this track.

in other news.

I really didn't see myself being a Paul Woolford fan after so many years of well dad house but damn he's finding a vibe the last few years.

LHF album? opinions?

i've been enjoying woolford for awhile now, feel like the turning point was actually around 2005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-sh8mi0cio

also really like this recent one, "can't do without"

although it definitely doesn't need to be 8:27 long

and then right after that obv he killed it with "erotic discourse"

not sure how that could every qualify as dad-house

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahlHAMP-TIo

Royal T's refix of I Luv U is inasane.

this is a 2011 track but it looks like nobody ever talked about it on ILM?

i heard it's not going to get a release, fucking crazy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR2lKUvN_BI

loved pearson sound rewinding this on boiler room #47

http://soundcloud.com/platform/br-47-pearson-sound?page=3

starts coming in at 32:30

'This is killing me: the song featured in last week's Dusk & Blackdown Rinse mix that samples The Breakfast Club - "Well, if you say you haven't, you're a prude. If you say you have you're a slut. It's a trap. You want to but you can't, and when you do you wish you didn't, right?" Anybody? Thanks.

― viborg, Saturday, 3 March 2012 17:37 (1 month ago) Permalink'

Oh yeah sorry this is 'Kook' by Presk out now on Fourth Wave.

http://www.sonicrouter.com/2012/03/sr-mix-125-presk-fourth-wave/

^ Big fan of that Presk tune.

Yeah it's now stuck in my head and probably will be all week.

Also, Jimmy Edgar 'For the Children'. Maybe that's more bobbins? I don't fully understand the difference.

loving this new paul woolford thing

http://soundcloud.com/platform/special-request-alone

― lukas, Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:20 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark

Alone is pretty good but I like this one even better (Lolita)

http://soundcloud.com/specialrequest/special-request-1-2-lolita

Vessel is on one at the moment:

http://soundcloud.com/left_blank/b1-merge-preview

The Panther Modern record is ace too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyLw0oaW4ok

is this the thread where you all talk about more beatmaker-y shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB2KqNtcrzs

into this song even tho it sounds like something I prob was into like 10 years ago or something

Hey, this Distal album I'm listening to is nice!!

is this the thread where you all talk about more beatmaker-y shit

yes please

"kook" is pretty good, what w/ a great sample, epic synth vibe and creepy "presk" vocal clip, but i still prefer "sweat" (presk & cinnaman)

presk IS killing it though, four for four on dope EPs

btw is it just me or does croydon house sample "sacred cycles"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uGrooVLjhc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZG7VbZuWcs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOqm3VMJrh8

Another Presk track, remixing Tessela and Hackman. The rest of the 12" is wicked too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMAShDUquFg

Feeling the latest South London Ordnance on 2nd Drop too: http://soundcloud.com/stholdings/south-london-ordnance

Anybody like that Kry Wolf track up on XLR8R?

http://www.xlr8r.com/mp3/2012/05/under-my-skin

the first four tracks of this new slugabed album are great, but then it turned into a blur of hi-fi synth-fusion to me (ie no hooks). maybe i shouldn't have tried to listen to it all at once.

NEWFLASH - MOSCA BITES HAND THAT FEEDS

going back to '09 listening to Marcus making this weird, weird house music basically that brings in all these elements, I wanna go back to that. If you want a guitar in your track, that's cool, you can do that. Now in UK bass you cannot have guitars—that's one of the rules. You have to have 808s, big Julio Bashmore bass, a US rap sample repeated, cowbell, a little Burial garage sample and a Deadboy synth that goes "eeewwwaaooo," bending all over the place. And those are the rules now. And you do get a lot of, it's just the same old same old that I get sent. There's so many people making music now, that it's flooded.

Bashmore has actually been using guitar a lot on his recent stuff

http://www.fritenite.com/2012/05/17/podcast-23-grenier/

I'm really psyched that DJG seems to be extricating himself from dubstep and slowly evolving into something else.

He was way too cool for the kids he was hanging out with IMO.

Having been going over old DMZ tracks in the last few days I was wondering if it makes sense to have a Dance Partisans of the Past thread, encompassing everything from early 00's proto dubstep to cotemporary Bass, or whether assorted thread already suffice?

I wouldn't mind having a place to get nostalgic about my record crates.

Ate a lot of ramen so that I could buy all those DMZ platters.

Oh god, I don't want to think about my current diet when I look at my records in 10 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Xcbw4Lmpg

Throws up devil horns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCJEHIVQTJU

Looks like XLR8R just got bought by Buzzmedia, RIP.

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/genre/dance/buzzmedia-acquires-xlr8r-1007189552.story

Is there anything resembling an independent English language dance publication left?

Little White Earbuds?

And I by publication I mean something with a separate editorial entity from the marketing department, no offense meant to Sonic Router or any of the other blobs out there.

Blogs, stupid phone.

This next banging track is brought to you by Red Bull Music Academy, Scion A/V, Nike, etc.