Occupy Wall Street 3: Now What?

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reeks of the French tbh

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago) link

well just as you need a unionized labor force before you can have a regular strike you need a large percentage of the country to be on board w/ ows before calls for a general strike aren't just kinda....

iatee, Friday, 16 March 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link

i mean

am reminded of max's version of "the emperor has no clothes" where the kid is like 'he's naked' and everybody's like "....well, yeah"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago) link

"fuck you boss I'm not coming to work today" "I'll fire you" "...nevermind..."

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 03:57 (twelve years ago) link

like a call for a general strike at this point in history is kind of an optimistic appeal to a certain mindset, both an admission that groundwork must be laid and an expression of desire to lay it, though whether that desire extends beyond the day of your proposed strike is always in contention

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 03:58 (twelve years ago) link

whether that desire extends beyond the day of your proposed strike is always in contention

that is to say "whether the desire to lay groundwork extends beyond 'groundwork for a one day action'"

like, i'm pretty tired of "days of action"

i'm ready to build real community power that can be linked and exercised in concert, and that shit takes hard real often boring work that isn't quite as exciting as trying to get everyone in the streets to "shut down the corporations" on a random day in february or what have you, but i think in the end that that kind of power is infinitely more valuable and in fact what's needed to build parallel institutions.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 04:02 (twelve years ago) link

so what i'm saying iatee is yes, i am mad super duper interested in building the kind of community awareness and power that leads to buy-in on an idea like a general strike, and that maybe calling for a general strike before building that power is backwards, but i also recognize the historical-sorta-mythical resonance of calling for a general strike and hardly begrudge it.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

i'm ready to build real community power that can be linked and exercised in concert

do you have ideas on this?

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

there's a lot of work being done in dc right now on neighborhood assemblies, and we have kind of a yearlong vision that could bring the city to a kind of spokescouncil model where assemblies from neighborhoods are represented, not so unlike we do with working groups (and the spanish did during the revolution). in my mind from that point city assemblies could begin to link up in the same way occupations around the country have linked up to plan and synchronize actions. the interoccupy model has worked well for us in terms of communication and cooperation, and i think it could map over to intercity comm&coop pretty well.

but that's something like a step 4 or 5, and frankly right now we're on step 1. i honestly think we could get there though, with dedication and person power--and for the moment at least, we've got that.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link

though honestly the localism of this model is a big part of the power in my mind--that to a certain extent it's about dealing with issues where they hit people the most.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link

I like Bryant Park being a base for the NY MayDay as it's essentially closed for a fucking fashion week 4x a year.

aside: a big facefart to the AFL-CIO for making their presidential endorsement in "99%" terms.

I want to go to Charlotte because the unions sure as fuck aren't going.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 04:14 (twelve years ago) link

big facefart to the AFL-CIO for making their presidential endorsement in "99%" terms.

seiu did this too! facefart to them!!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago) link

i figure if o is gonna steal my chicago showdown from me i can at least do him the courtesy of going to charlotte

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 04:16 (twelve years ago) link

it's like you're standing in a concert hall and this dude starts playing the opening riff of barracuda on an acoustic guitar

the people in the first couple of rows can hear him

and they know what he's going for

and they know what that shit is supposed to sound like

and if they've got any goddamn gumption they're gonna do what they've gotta do to get an amplifier and an electric guitar and turn the damn sound up so the rest of the hall can hear "barracuda" the way those first couple rows know its supposed to sound like

that is why the general strike is just like "barracuda" by heart

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link

(i am kind of drunk btw!)

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link

there's a lot of work being done in dc right now on neighborhood assemblies, and we have kind of a yearlong vision that could bring the city to a kind of spokescouncil model where assemblies from neighborhoods are represented, not so unlike we do with working groups (and the spanish did during the revolution). in my mind from that point city assemblies could begin to link up in the same way occupations around the country have linked up to plan and synchronize actions. the interoccupy model has worked well for us in terms of communication and cooperation, and i think it could map over to intercity comm&coop pretty well.

yeah this is the really important stuff. it'll take years but whatever; for all the THINGS ARE CHANGING! THIS IS NOW! thrill of the camps/november/january the real goal here is probably to just get the assemblies -- the soviets, in whatever form -- in place, get them integrated into their communities and into the national/(global) meta-community, get people accustomed to thinking of them as real institutions and mechanisms to express their will/organize local projects, and ensure that they and their radical openness are present+embedded+prepared by the time The Crisis really gets bad, if only so there's someone offering solutions besides the christian right.

"general strike" right now is kinda dress-up, sure, but i think the response will be big enough to avoid Looking Dumb, if nothing else, and there'll be plenty of time for generaller strikes later.

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Friday, 16 March 2012 11:48 (twelve years ago) link

CHANGE ALL THE THINGS

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

a HOOS should go international: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2012/mar/16/occupy-america-looking-back

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 17 March 2012 03:50 (twelve years ago) link

love that 9 day gap

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 17 March 2012 06:43 (twelve years ago) link

so

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/uneditedcamera

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 March 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago) link

better

http://www.ustream.tv/timcast#utm_campaign=ss-post-backlink&utm_source=9824271&utm_medium=social

reports of around a thousand people in zuccotti

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 March 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link

happy 6 months, yall

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 March 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago) link

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a hoy hoy, Monday, 19 March 2012 08:33 (twelve years ago) link

Meanwhile in Washington D.C.

With the so-called JOBS bill, on which the Senate is due to vote Tuesday, Congress is about to make the same kind of mistake again -- this time abandoning much of the 1930s-era securities legislation that both served investors well and helped make the US one of the best places in the world to raise capital. We find ourselves again on a bipartisan route to disaster.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/simon-johnson/fiscal-affairs-a-colossal_b_1362060.html

Liberal economists and some Dem Senators versus Apple, Boehner, Obama and bipartisan types

curmudgeon, Monday, 19 March 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWMu0cTnBZ4

s.clover, Monday, 19 March 2012 14:49 (twelve years ago) link

wedding at the square tonight btw

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=109&sid=2800609

they used my shit photo that i tweeted lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 25 March 2012 03:33 (twelve years ago) link

Sunday march to Cadman Plaza in Brooklyn

http://occupywallst.org/article/april-1-march-commemorate-brooklyn-bridge-action/

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 12:20 (twelve years ago) link

The bridge will become symbolic either way.

pretty sure it already is sort of symbolic.

s.clover, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link

"the 99% spring" is starting in the next few weeks, (hopefully) massive direct action/organizing trainings (spurred by a coalition of dem-to-left groups) that they're hoping will unleash a torrent of inspired organizers (in, surprise, election year).

a lot of people, maybe myself included, are skeptical of the ends to which this clearly Dem coalition intends to press their new trainees--but honestly? training tens of thousands of people in messaging & direct action? i'm all fucking for it, even if a few months down the line they try to direct their shiny new organizer machine to the re-election campaign. there's no rule that says you can't take the training and run.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link

this weekend is odc's 6 month anniversary, and we're having a carnival with issue-themed carny games etc to celebrate. it should be rad & fun.

oh also check out the winner of the post's annual Peep contest:

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/541570_10150636235347293_6250307292_9371890_394225943_n.jpg

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

that's great, love "Power To The Peeple"

Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link

oh haha i didn't see this was just half of the image!

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/542466_10150650356725897_611215896_9173264_2113132269_n.jpg

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

omg peep mcpherson statuuuuuuuuue

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

A+

all things must pass (shaane), Wednesday, 28 March 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link

overflowing trash can otm tho

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

rats probably unnecessary though.

beachville, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:18 (twelve years ago) link

i meeeeean there's no denying there are lots of rats, side effect of having an outdoor kitchen for 4+ months

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, but really side effect of being in washing dc for 4+ months.

beachville, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:33 (twelve years ago) link

def

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 28 March 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link

finally, we're taking a strike at the real enemy, our overfunded public transit system

iatee, Thursday, 29 March 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago) link

hah, I got a M*ve On direct action training email, anyone else?

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 March 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

it's kinda sad how relatively easy it is to get a good protest together in europe, tho I guess 50% youth unemployment is gonna do that

iatee, Friday, 30 March 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

hah, I got a M*ve On direct action training email, anyone else?

― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, March 30, 2012 9:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i'm getting various scripts encouraging me to join the 99% spring from moveon, 350.org, people for the american way, and nat'l organizing institute

getting separate "reaching out to our members" emails from all the orgs is sorta eye-opening in revealing the degree to which this is a coordinated super-not-grassroots push

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 31 March 2012 06:45 (twelve years ago) link

it's kinda sad how relatively easy it is to get a good protest together in europe, tho I guess 50% youth unemployment is gonna do that

― iatee, Friday, March 30, 2012 10:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean spain is also the home of the largest functioning radical labor cooperative on earth, a direct descendant of the anarchist unions that held cities against the fascists during the spanish revolution & they were taking the plazas & twinkling their fingers 6 months before anybody was on wall street. first ows facilitators came from barcelona iirc

raised my eyebrows when i saw that this was their first nationwide general strike "in 18 months" for sure tho

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 31 March 2012 06:49 (twelve years ago) link

like a lotta the spanish kids who can't find jobs today prob had grandparents who were card-carrying monkeywrenching FAIistas

am sort of jealous that they have that heritage to draw on

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 31 March 2012 07:03 (twelve years ago) link


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