C/D: Plan B, "Sick to Def"

In a lecture for TED and The Observer last week he encouraged people to ignore the government and instead each find one person that they can help.

oh how AWFUL of him. i already know that the concept of actually reaching out to disadvantaged kids on a one-to-one irl basis is anathema to most in the "young hipster left" bubble, thanks.

Thanks for putting it so well lex re: the anti-capitalist dogma. The rape-allegation plot device on the last album bothered me too but I don't know deep it goes. It struck me more as a crass device to get the character wrongly convicted rather than an issue he was particularly exercised about. I don't recall reading any interviews where he was pressed on it so I don't know. It's certainly not the main theme of the record - just the song She Said:

http://www.lyricsreg.com/lyrics/plan+b/She+Said/

It's certainly worth flagging up and interrogating but I'm not persuaded it means people on the left should disregard everything else he does.

hmmmmmm can't say that's helpful in a climate so skewed against victims of sexual assault and if i was writing about it i'd point that out, but at the same time false accusations are things that happen so i'm not sure it's fair to label plan b a rape apologist for that. it's limited & blinkered in its unthinking reflection of the male fear of getting falsely accused of rape, and it's unempathetically up its own privilege, but it's not a song worthy of outrage really.

also i'm not sure the response of "the left" to plan b is to make him their new hero so much as to point out "here's the first mainstream song that really captures and conveys something important about the riots, it's worth paying attention to"

Exactly. It seems weird to me in 2012 that people can't grasp that you can acclaim a musician for one powerful political record without giving them a free pass. In hip hop that's kind of a given, and She Said is a long way short of, say, Black Korea.

It struck me more as a crass device to get the character wrongly convicted rather than an issue he was particularly exercised about. I don't recall reading any interviews where he was pressed on it so I don't know. It's certainly not the main theme of the record - just the song She Said:

mmm, the biggest hit off the album? Which sounds, at first, like a classic soul number heading for the Valentine Day comps...

It gets the character 'wrongly convicted', and shows him to be a bit of a git as well, true. There were other ways to do this, mind.

Totally. There were other ways. The issue isn't whether it was a terrific idea but how much bearing it should have on what he does subsequently.

Well, allowing for the fact that PlanB did not do this 'irl', and this discussion probably should be on the "Strickland Banks" thread, yeah.

http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2012/03/26/two-views-plan-bs-ill-manors

man i was flipping channels eating breakfast this AM and palladia was showing the 2011 isle of wight festival and there was this fat mook lookin' motherfucker trying to act all slick in a business suit (but you could still tell he probably like limp bizkit and shit)...i was like what the fuck is this shit? jesus, it was like the nickelback of style council or something, barfffffff on england

hardman lyricist puts out leaden, unintelligible soundtrack to graphically violent movie, pleads for mutual understanding, asks what you are looking at, you fucking rich boy

i feel bad because it seems like his heart is often in the right place but he gets tangled up in this weird macho thing

also his music, at least live, just gets lost in its own frug

i feel bad because it seems like his heart is often in the right place but he gets tangled up in this weird macho thing

Most emo/aggro music anywhere to thread?

Britain's new #1 sounds like the guy found a copy of Defamation lying around and thought, well, if he's not using it anymore then I will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfihYWRWRTQ

wait a minute -- is this thread about the same plan b who did this ridiculous song? i had completely forgotten about it until just now and realized i could look it up. what a shitty song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eAcCPJwCB8