ray kurzweil's 'the singularity is near' & any other technological singularity-related books you might care about

that pomo thesis generators writes some pretty incoherent terrible theses

makes you think, huh

makes me think that the ppl who designed it don't understand most of the words they plugged into the random generation machine

i mean

its a random generator because its arranges them randomly

sometimes that will mean they make no sense

it's not real, mordy

what do u mean it's not real?

i mean, correct me if i'm wrong, but you seem miffed that the jokey "random thesis generator" is producing theses that make no sense?

like, of course it wouldn't betray any understanding of the meaning of the words being used, it's intended to be random--the joke of the whole thing of course is that the terms themselves are so meaningless as to be interchangable, and yeah that's a pretty dumb and rong joke to make, but i don't think the problem with the random thesis generator is "they obviously don't know what these words mean," it's "they think these words don't mean anything."

it seemed like it was mentioned here as an example of emergent AI intelligence? but also, u must've missed the sokal reference at the bottom of the essays - it's obviously trying to make the point that its pomo essays are just as good as whatever random shit academia produces. i was just pointing out that the essays are neither emergent intelligence, or quality pomo pieces. they're just gibberish?

but i don't think the problem with the random thesis generator is "they obviously don't know what these words mean," it's "they think these words don't mean anything."

idk synonymous to me

oh i didn't see that they were posted as evidence of emergent AI, my b

i think we pretty much agree tho?

u rite

No, I was saying that I hate it when people say that, that there's nothing new under the sun. It's untrue and annoying. My dissent may be unremarkable, but it's still dissent. Hanle y more or less said it, and I disagree.

otm i'm just picking fights lately, i think its cause i'm jobless and have no more cops to fight with

The 'nothing new under the sun' applies more to people themselves and how they act than to consumer products or scientific advances. A drunken lout with a cell phone is a close replica of a drunken lout wearing a toga.

xp :-)

imho "there's nothing new under the sun" refers to solomon's melancholia and despondence while writing ecclesiastes

Having lived for 57+ years, I can vouch for a growing sense of iterative recurrence in the people, places, emotions, experiences of my life, including the prospective experience of my growing older. There is little I can look forward to that will arrive with an unique sense of novelty, as measured above the level of somewhat trivial details. Yes, when I die there may be a small amount of surprise that it is happeneing to me, but that would soon pass.

Enjoyed what I've read of this thread so far, especially that big post by bamcquern.

Also, time for a new display name

when I die there may be a small amount of surprise that it is happeneing to me, but that would soon pass.

― Aimless, Saturday, March 24, 2012 7:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what a wonderfully droll sentiment

Sorry, but those are two posts very much in character.

Just today I thought "japanese bagel factories with amourous potion" and then I say it on Phildonahue.com!!! THE SIGUNALRITY IS REAL!

"No, I was saying that I hate it when people say that, that there's nothing new under the sun. It's untrue and annoying. My dissent may be unremarkable, but it's still dissent. Hanle y more or less said it, and I disagree."

I have no proof of this but my own musings - if I have mis-mused you I apologize.

I agree it is more interesting to perfect an invention than to have the idea. ie the iPod vs. diamond rio

I have named it - it is - The Googularity

thakig u

It came to me in a dream of Wozniak as Cheshire cat

"Pretending otherwise is like making Super Mario the best man at your wedding. No matter how much time you spend with dear old Super Mario, he is going to disappoint in that role you chose for him. You need to let Super Mario be super in the ways that Mario is actually more-or-less super. Those are plentiful. And getting more so. These are the parts that require attention, while the AI mythos must be let go. "

One drawback of making Super Mario the best man at your wedding is that he will stomp on all of your friends and kill them, then run out of the building with all of your money

these ppl are so crazy, but that's why i love them. anyway, why sexiness will help us overclock brain speeds, or, you know, something. ems:
http://hplusmagazine.com/2012/04/12/transhumanism-and-the-human-expansion-into-space-a-conflict-with-physics/

On top of the possibility that there is a God, it also seems quite imaginable to me that we are living in a simulation of some kind perhaps as a research project of a singularity that occurred in a parent universe. There is another possible motivation for running such simulations. I am told that if you accept certain decision theories, it would appear worthwhile for future creatures to run simulations of the past, and reward or punish the participants based on whether they acted in ways that were beneficial or harmful to beings expected to live in the future. On realising this, we would then be uncertain whether we were in such a simulation or not, and so would have an extra motivation to work to improve the future. However, given finite resources in their universe, these simulators would presumably not be able to dole out infinite utilities, and so would be dominated, in terms of expected utility, by any ‘supernatural’ creator that could.

Extending this point, Amanda notes the domination of ‘higher cardinality’ infinities over lower cardinalities. The slightest probability of an infinity-aleph-two utility would always trump a certain infinity-aleph-one. I am not sure what to do about that. The issue has hardly been researched by philosophers and seems like a promising area for high impact philosophy. I would appreciate anyone who can resolve these weird results so I can return to worrying about ordinary things!

http://www.overcomingbias.com/2012/07/life-after-death-for-pascals-wager.html

haha I actually made a self-note to msg you that post when I saw it

world financial markets will end in 2050:
http://www.er.ethz.ch/publications/complex_systems/ENDofGROWTHeraESSAY3.pdf

any engularity bros want to go to this and report back?
http://www.meetup.com/London-Futurists/events/92158132/

Jaan Tallinn is one of the programmers behind the Kazaa file sharing

The singularity will be full of malware.

i bought that roger penrose book (on 15 jun 2008, thanks amazon) and as of yet i have yet to open it

― desperado, rough rider (thomp), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 19:13 (9 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ayup

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2012/12/simulated_universe_testing_the_laws_of_physics_to_determine_whether_we_re.html

lolz @ google

so awesome

only superficially related to singularity but reading this made me happy this morning:
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/world_population_may_actually_start_declining_not_exploding.html

do you ever get this feeling that the singularity may actuall be a horrible doomsday scenario like in Disney's The Balck Hole

tbh the first thing i think of when i think of the singularity is Skynet

i was reading this just recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-replacement_fertility

it a pretty fascinating phenomenon imo. more than the prosaic explanations i wonder about the dynamics of populations or species, the possibility or maybe fantasy that effects like this could be some kind of self-regulation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ7aDyJPn3c

would there be such things in a post singualirty world?> i think not

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/01/doomsday_clock_from_the_bulletin_of_the_atomic_scientists_for_2013.html

What Mordy seems to be saying is that it's really a race between the arrival of utopia (via the supra-magical powers of the singularity) and the arrival of doomsday (via the agency of various apocalyptic horsemen spawned in the last century).

Advanced physics and applied mathematics! You can't live with them and you can't live without them! /hennyyoungman

rolling utopias and dystopias 2013

is grey goo part of the singularity? people have patiently tried to explain "singularity" to me and it's always like james brown trying to explain "funky" and they end up gesticulating and shouting "get down" "unngh!"

that's what i always assumed tbh but i am reading more and more stuff that is like, "oh yeah, automation is the new reality." or, in the academia thread, "these object oriented ontologists are just anticipating the day when there isn't a firm distinction between humans and objects, i.e. machines" (paraphrasing)

this is great

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/05/26/055624.full.pdf

if the brain literally was just a computer, we still wouldn't come close to having the tools to understand it

clever

the singularity is here

https://www.cnet.com/news/its-happening-googles-ai-is-building-more-ais/

bring it

Nah. The only 'live' project mentioned in that article was "making Google Search more responsive to users' needs". All the rest was speculation about Some Day It Will Be So.

a search engine that can input its own search queries

"kill me" About 62,900,000 results (1.17 seconds)
"kill me" About 62,900,000 results (1.17 seconds)
"kill me" About 62,900,000 results (1.17 seconds)
"kill me" About 62,900,000 results (1.17 seconds)

Siri, ask Alexa what the time is...

I hear the software just produced one of these https://i.redd.it/89clk3nfj2yy.gif