Mad Men on AMC • Fifth Season Thread

ha ha

yeah, it was pretty fusty. Gold framed picture etc.

HE HAS A WEE CANON ON HIS DESK!

also lol at Harry's work clothes being too large for him now

I like harry as much as Pete, I think I oscillate on a spectrum between their two characters.

Does anyone have a gif of Pete's wistful sigh at Don's party?

i loved that

loved the argument between the two (Harry and Pete)
Harry: i'm giving you my office
Pete: screw you.

^^^secretary was carrying a box with Pete's gun in it

He's had to keep that gun at the office for 6 years now.

this seems broadly relevant to discussions of don: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/character-and-its-discontents/

sorta hope the series ends with Pete losing his shit and blasting Don out the window with his rifle

can't really see that happening - maybe more like barging into Don's office and nattering away at him until Don eventually loses it and hurls himself out the window.

yeah I can't really see it happening either it's just funny to envision

pete drops out grows a beard, becomes charlie manson

regardless of pete's indiscretions, it's still the only marriage where there's actual support happening.

Pete Campbell is our successful marriage role model.

:/

never said that. fuck you all i am raging with every one of you.

this show's aggressive cynicism about marriage is actually one of the least convincing things about it, i think. that doesn't mean they have to present several "model marriages"--but i'd buy it more if they presented at least a few that were largely functional.

i don't see it as cynicism abt marriage, really. i think it's a combination of basic soap opera relationship dynamics (the more conflict, betrayal and duplicity, the better) & cynicism abt the culture of madison avenue in the 60s. the guys around whom the show revolves are for the most part ambitious, selfish, petty and rather venal. makes sense that they'd have troubled marriages.

i dunno i think a lot of what's depicted is more in the realm of generalized "bad male behavior" than anything specific to madison avenue.

yeah, that too, but there is something distinctive abt the entitlement of manhattan power-business types. overlapping circles: men, businessmen, 60s businessmen, madison avenue ad guys.

pssh, Pete's still married and has a cute wife and a kid, his life is awesome

otoh, he's a horrible, egocentric geek with frustrated delusions of grandeur, his life is hell

He's one of those people who is never going to be happy with what he has.

Could see Pete getting involved with Est or some sort of encounter group in the 1970s

yes plz. would watch the fuck out of that plot development

omg

we need cult sideplots!

moonies please!

I thought something along those lines was going to happen when Don was crashing in Cali with those strange people in the house with the pool.

The problem with EST is that it doesn't exist until the 70s.

elvis's "in the 70's" clarified that :)

also his and trudy's marriage is pitiful!

wan sham of a marriage

regardless of pete's indiscretions, it's still the only marriage where there's actual support happening.

yeah this. Trudy is so good for him, encouraging his better tendencies and gently guiding him away from - not scolding or chiding him for - the worse ones she sees. and he genuinely likes and appreciates this, and her, and their life together. He rankles about ways she wants to live that he would prefer not to, but he does come to accept compromise, and not just add it to his pile of injustices re The Rise Of Pete Campbell to seethe about.

I think the difference is that Pete and Trudy actually relate to each others as adults and peers - whatever their respective shortcomings (Pete's infidelities, Trudy's waspy conservatism) - and that's pretty much not the case with any of the other marriages depicted (which is really not that many - Joan and Dr. Rapey, Roger and Jane, Don and Betty/Megan, but that's pretty much it. Haven't seen much of Lane and his wife)

lane and his wife pretty clearly have no affection for each other whatever

oh I dunno. they've only been onscreen together for a grand total of like 5 minutes at the most

and in those couple of minutes it was established that they cannot stand one another

I'm not gonna dispute that - I'm just saying the body of evidence for all the other couples is a lot bigger and more definitive

i wonder what ken + his significant other are like together. i wonder a lot about ken. what kind of guy is he?

yeah, ken and his wife--from what we can tell--seem pretty tight.

adirondack chairs on the porch, reading the sunday papers...is how I picture the young Cosgroves

ken needs to be brought to the fore, i think. great character. good actor too.

I agree I would love to see Ken Cosgrove get more of a storyline this season.

On the surface of it easily the nicest guy at SDCP.

his wife was the younger sister in 10 Things I Hate About You.

my favorite character in this episode was Don and Megan's apartment, fyi.

prob best known to ppl my age as alex mack xp

that apartment was amazing! we wanted to know if the apartment had all those stairs so ppl could sit on them and look cool

alex mack OMG