HBO adaptation of Game of Thrones - will this be just for nerds? (NO SPOILERS PLEASE)

it was like they decided they need to show how cruel and ugly and dehumanising this world is, particularly to women, and "they did you notice that the first time? COS IF NOT HERE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF IT! oh you missed that one did you? WELL HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE AND IT'S EVEN LESS SUBTLE, HOW ABOUT MORE ROUGH ANAL SEX? LOOK AT HOW THESE PEOPLE ARE MERE OBJECTS, HER, HER AND HER TOO, LOOK."

― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Monday, April 9, 2012 6:48 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

I was like WE GET IT ALREADY JESUS. There was just way I much fucking in that one. I know it's HBO but still. :/

i much

too much

can someone tell me what the change from the books was

I don't think Stannis and Melisandre were sleeping together in the books. In fact Stannis comes across as very non-sexual, he's married and has a daughter so he's obviously had sex with his wife at least once but probably only out of duty. It seemed out of character for him.

Nah, it is kind of implied that they're doing it, just very obliquely. Much like Renly and Loras.

Yes, but it is somewhat alluded to in the books. I forget who, but they commented on Stannis's disinterest in/impatience with his wife, and all the time he has for the younger, more beautiful Melisandre.

But then again he doesn't have a wife or family in this does he?

Melisandre mentioned his wife being locked up in her tower

Ty, I haven't seen the second episode (or missed that from the first!)

My reading was that Stannis was desperately keen on a son, not so much horny for that bod.

it is acknowledged or at least very strongly implied that Stannis and Melisandre got it on in the books at least on one occasion. i mean, i can't say anything without giving a kinda-not-really-spoiler-y detail, but it is right in there. i don't think anything is said about stannis looking to get a male heir thru her tho. certainly her intentions are different.

anyway, in terms of the big 'change', i think ppl are referring to the very end?

can someone tell me what the change from the books was?

I believe on the Stannis et Melisandre question, that he dreams a sort of murky, magical, succubus-like encounter, and she takes that from him without his full consent. It IS mentioned often that she's taking the Stannis' wife's place at his side, but that's like a transfer of power & authority, not a sign of a sexual liaison.

lol @ u alls decrying the ack of subtlety in game of thrones

i seem to remember them being quite clear that melisandre was getting it on with stannis. in one of the later books someone says that she warms his bed or something like that, which kinda makes it clear what they're doing.

sex?

Hm I don't remember that being specifically told to us by a reliable narrator? If another character says it, it's just as likely to be their unreliable PoV.

The Lord Of Light makes a fine hot water bottle.

i seem to remember them being quite clear that melisandre was getting it on with stannis. in one of the later books someone says that she warms his bed or something like that, which kinda makes it clear what they're doing.

― Jibe, Monday, April 9, 2012 11:07 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sex?

― one dis leads to another (ian), Monday, April 9, 2012 11:09 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

lmao

is there a spoilery thread?

the book threads are spoilery, though if you haven't read all 5 books i would avoid them

anyone watched ep2? more like game of porn

the brothel keyhole-blowjob --> wiping-off-the-corner-of-the-mouth --> deep kiss with new client scene was way over the top

^ and that sort of thing doesn't usually bother me that much. I mean, come on, the wiping the mouth this was just gross.

tbh until just now I thought I had read too much into that bit because I didn't think they would have actually shown that. Gah.

yeah it took me a minute to register that they were really going there

even some of the dialogue like what that prisoner said to arya about putting a stick up her anus or whatev, it's a bit gleefully gross.

I guess I'm too desensitised to really find that ott. Genuine lolz at the chain of people spying on other people - as well as that subtext of the ways in which Littlefinger and others use spying/voyeurism etc.

Thinking back this was pretty strong thematically, but I didn't really appreciate that so much while watching it due to jumping from story to story.

the thing about the wiping of her mouth that made it gross to me was that it was like identifying her as "look, she even needs a man to wipe her mouth for her, she is literally nothing more than a tool for fucking"

THAT is otm.

most of the other fuck scenes in the episode at least involved a major character or had some plot purpose, I think that's one reason it seemed gratuitous

but that's the point, surely. that's the set-up for Littlefinger's little speech to Roz.

the whole episode was really about perceptions/treatment of women

yyyyyyeah, kinda

I thought this whole episode was boring and terrible, except for the pwning of Theon

also the Arya/Gendry show was good, too

I get so excited when a new location pops up on the intro. Iron Islands looked v cool.

yyyyyyeah, kinda

felt like a recurring theme in the ep to me but wdik

I believe on the Stannis et Melisandre question, that he dreams a sort of murky, magical, succubus-like encounter, and she takes that from him without his full consent. It IS mentioned often that she's taking the Stannis' wife's place at his side, but that's like a transfer of power & authority, not a sign of a sexual liaison.

The first part (re: dream succubus) is my impression as well, though I do think believe they eventually start doing it, like, carnally.

I thought this whole episode was boring and terrible, except for the pwning of Theon

Aw cmon, the Davos scene was soooo much yay.

Davos/Saan scene was worth the whole ep in my opinion

'he cuts off your fingers - and you fall in love with him!'

^^

Didn't care for the sullen way the actress played Yara/Asha, who in my mind was much more boisterous.

Yeah now I've read all the books I really notice the reductions they had to pull to get the story to pull together on TV. There's going to be so much that just doesn't make it in.

by the way do we have a GoT TV thread for people who have read the books?

I don't think so. You should start it.

yeah I just caught myself from blowing some plot threads and was wondering, cheers

though thinking about it it would be about 100 comments of 'I can't believe they cut that, what the hell was wrong with them'

That's the normal internet reaction, but if there's anything about us ilxors, we are abnormal.

I just don't want to spoil somebody's day with something like 'how the hell are they going to shoot X'.

Anyway, with regard to ep, the porn aspects didn't throw me at the time, but thinking about it now I can see they're really trying to shoehorn more and more of these in. But that's kind of an HBO house style thing at this point, isn't it? I kind of expect every scene to begin or end that way.

Tyrion/Slynt scene was most excellent as well. Dinklage was cracking me up.

as for whether they really 'did it' in the books, grrm is never shy about ppl doing anything, so i can't imagine he'd be coy about this.

except he was coy about loras and renly fuckin

i don't even remember him being coy about it tbh (i don't remember any of the renly stuff from the books really)