this episode was amazing btw
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
amazed that anyone finds anything to like in pete, other than the skill with which he is made to seem completely insufferable and horrid
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
"i thought we were supposed to be friends"
FUCK YOU
The best thing about Pete is that he can make you turn your feelings about him right around on a dime.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 April 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link
which this episode did in spades
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
yeah - the writer-thing was a characteristic but it didn't generate any kind of conflict. now Ken's being set up as a guy who's a bit torn between work and his desire for a personal life outside the office
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones
ken is a fairly minor character and mainly operates as a foil to pete campbell. first season they're usually together, do the same job, and both equally obnoxious. ken however shows some growth, and generally is like pete campbell but with more substance and less connivance. when it was originally revealed he was a writer its main consequence was pete's pathetic attempt to compete with him. they then are competing again as joint accounts directors, tho pete takes it a lot more seriously than ken.
ken is also loathe to use family connections, while pete owes his job to his family connections, and happily exploits his father-in-law as well.
now they've brought his writing up again, and again it shows him as different from pete. pete coming home from the whorehouse to the darkened house. ken sitting in the bright cosy room with his wife asleep by his side writing a story (about pete). i think ken's writing may come up again in the show, but i don't think it will be a major plot point.
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
agree in general that the whole high school girl soliloquoy was stiffer than it should have been. otoh I have literally had teenage girls ask the "doesn't it feel like time is speeding up?" question so I dunno... also seemed to call back to Don's conversation with the girls at the Rolling Stones show.
xp
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
Ken will probably end up having authored the book this whole show is based on.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 April 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
see, i don't get that. he's always been exactly the same arrogant, thankless, self-aggrandizing scumbag. this episode just underlined it.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
well at least he's not a racist
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
talking about don's conversation with the girls at the stones show. is it just me or is that going to come up again? he gave the girl his business card, she was going to go and try and get them in using it, but she never came back. the client, heinz, had said his daughter was crazy for the stones. no, as i say that that sounds too fucking stupid and coincidental for them to run with.
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
Don gives out lots of business cards
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i know i already feel dumb.
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
still waiting for that epileptic drifter dude from S3 to come back somehow
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
For some reason it felt like there were a lot more stylized transitions in this episode.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Awesome ep, that whole fight scene was hall of fame, also everything Roger said.
Can't work out who I felt more sorry for, Ken or Laine. But yeah Jim otm about Ken as foil for Pete.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
What was Ken and Peggy's pact again?
― Vasco da Gama, Monday, 16 April 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
not to bring in any business without the other
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
Ah yeah from when they landed the hosiery manufacturer client together, ty
― Vasco da Gama, Monday, 16 April 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
Awesome episode. The post-fight makeup job was horrendous tho.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
mad fun
― moullet, Monday, 16 April 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
"He thinks you're a homo!"
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 April 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
^^^I totally missed the clues leading up to Pete delivering that line
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
I think it was because Lane was asking such intimate questions at their diner, and also that he didn't try to get the Jaguar guy laid.
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 April 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
Laine also dropped the fact that he complained about his wife to the jaguar guy
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
fun episode
― Number None, Monday, 16 April 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
I enjoyed it.
I was growing tired of Don's predictable nature in past seasons so I like seeing this change in him. At the same time I like seeing other characters become a bit darker. See other people wreck for a change.
― *tera, Monday, 16 April 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
"doesn't it feel like time is speeding up?"
technically as we get older it DOES actually feel like time is speeding up because our sense of time/memory is tracked to novelty and affective arousal (=strong emotions) and those things are often fewer and farther between as we get older. but i wouldn't expect a teenager of all people to notice this yet.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
also it's kind of incredible trolling by weiner that the one major dyed-in-the-wool liberal on the show (pete) is also one of the most personally despicable.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
pete's probably the only partner that votes democratic--don, roger, and cooper have all talked conspiratorily about how they wish nixon would come back etc. who knows re. layne.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
like how sometimes we catch the tail end of a political conversation. the show has characters talking politics only sparingly, which i guess is fair because if they made people's attitudes toward e.g. LBJ a major plot point we'd all be complaining about how on-the-nose it all was.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GDEgmGnOSVk/Tdgn_4rFy0I/AAAAAAAAAB0/ZDJ1rrD6iAw/s1600/Lbj.jpg
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.politico.com/global/news/090927_lbj_ap_297.jpg
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
As a Democrat and a Texan, I still find that I have some mixed feelings about LBJ. I have even heard older, staunch Democrats being very vocal in their dislike for him.
― *tera, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
don't see pete's liberalism/scumbagginess as trolling. there are plenty of other presumably liberaly-leaning characters on the show. the creative types, perhaps peggy, etc. pete's just pete.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
make that "liberal-leaning"
it's trolling insofar as pete is potentially a figure of audience-identitication but they go to considerable lengths to undermine that.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
(i mean i imagine the core mad men audience to be urban liberals, no?)
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, April 16, 2012 7:02 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
other than the pipe-smoking guy in the 1st season, and some minor characters, i don't think anyone's been cast consistently as a "liberal" as much as pete. peggy is obviously more "open minded" than most but i don't think he's voiced much in the way of explicit political opinions (unless we want to project her boyfriend's radical politics onto her).
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
SHE'S voiced...
i identify with peggy and joan more than any of the leading men on the show. and with the second-string guys like harry and ken. fact that don isn't a liberal isn't what prevents me from identifying with him.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
i guess in joan's case, it's more sympathize than identify
i KNOW that... i'm just saying that it would have been easy to make this urbanite liberal character the focus of audience identification, and they very self-consiously made him a total leper
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
never mind
As a Democrat and a Texan, I still find that I have some mixed feelings about LBJ.
Most of us liberals do! It'll never get resolved.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, no, it's cool. figure that michael ginsberg will likely be a liberal.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
Weird to divvy up the characters based on who they'd vote for! I feel, somehow, that Weiner is planting references to Rep/Dem affiliation deliberately as red herrings.
― poxen, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
Kinsey was probably the biggest liberal on the show. And the biggest douche.
― LaMonte, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
no way was he the _biggest_ douche.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
I felt like a bunch of characters had good paths through the episode. Don goes from skeptical to the virtual hero of the party to that shit-eating grin hookup in the car and later the classic, "I grew up in a place like this, but we called it a whorehouse."
― mh, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link