Don gives out lots of business cards
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i know i already feel dumb.
― zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
still waiting for that epileptic drifter dude from S3 to come back somehow
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
well at least he's not a racist
lol
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, 16 April 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
For some reason it felt like there were a lot more stylized transitions in this episode.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
Awesome ep, that whole fight scene was hall of fame, also everything Roger said.
Can't work out who I felt more sorry for, Ken or Laine. But yeah Jim otm about Ken as foil for Pete.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
What was Ken and Peggy's pact again?
― Vasco da Gama, Monday, 16 April 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
not to bring in any business without the other
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
Ah yeah from when they landed the hosiery manufacturer client together, ty
― Vasco da Gama, Monday, 16 April 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
Awesome episode. The post-fight makeup job was horrendous tho.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 April 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
mad fun
― moullet, Monday, 16 April 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
"He thinks you're a homo!"
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 April 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
^^^I totally missed the clues leading up to Pete delivering that line
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
I think it was because Lane was asking such intimate questions at their diner, and also that he didn't try to get the Jaguar guy laid.
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 April 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
Laine also dropped the fact that he complained about his wife to the jaguar guy
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 16 April 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
fun episode
― Number None, Monday, 16 April 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
I enjoyed it.
I was growing tired of Don's predictable nature in past seasons so I like seeing this change in him. At the same time I like seeing other characters become a bit darker. See other people wreck for a change.
― *tera, Monday, 16 April 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
"doesn't it feel like time is speeding up?"
technically as we get older it DOES actually feel like time is speeding up because our sense of time/memory is tracked to novelty and affective arousal (=strong emotions) and those things are often fewer and farther between as we get older. but i wouldn't expect a teenager of all people to notice this yet.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
also it's kind of incredible trolling by weiner that the one major dyed-in-the-wool liberal on the show (pete) is also one of the most personally despicable.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
pete's probably the only partner that votes democratic--don, roger, and cooper have all talked conspiratorily about how they wish nixon would come back etc. who knows re. layne.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
like how sometimes we catch the tail end of a political conversation. the show has characters talking politics only sparingly, which i guess is fair because if they made people's attitudes toward e.g. LBJ a major plot point we'd all be complaining about how on-the-nose it all was.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GDEgmGnOSVk/Tdgn_4rFy0I/AAAAAAAAAB0/ZDJ1rrD6iAw/s1600/Lbj.jpg
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://images.politico.com/global/news/090927_lbj_ap_297.jpg
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 April 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
As a Democrat and a Texan, I still find that I have some mixed feelings about LBJ. I have even heard older, staunch Democrats being very vocal in their dislike for him.
― *tera, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
don't see pete's liberalism/scumbagginess as trolling. there are plenty of other presumably liberaly-leaning characters on the show. the creative types, perhaps peggy, etc. pete's just pete.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
make that "liberal-leaning"
it's trolling insofar as pete is potentially a figure of audience-identitication but they go to considerable lengths to undermine that.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
(i mean i imagine the core mad men audience to be urban liberals, no?)
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Monday, April 16, 2012 7:02 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
other than the pipe-smoking guy in the 1st season, and some minor characters, i don't think anyone's been cast consistently as a "liberal" as much as pete. peggy is obviously more "open minded" than most but i don't think he's voiced much in the way of explicit political opinions (unless we want to project her boyfriend's radical politics onto her).
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
SHE'S voiced...
i identify with peggy and joan more than any of the leading men on the show. and with the second-string guys like harry and ken. fact that don isn't a liberal isn't what prevents me from identifying with him.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
i guess in joan's case, it's more sympathize than identify
i KNOW that... i'm just saying that it would have been easy to make this urbanite liberal character the focus of audience identification, and they very self-consiously made him a total leper
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
never mind
As a Democrat and a Texan, I still find that I have some mixed feelings about LBJ.
Most of us liberals do! It'll never get resolved.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, no, it's cool. figure that michael ginsberg will likely be a liberal.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
Weird to divvy up the characters based on who they'd vote for! I feel, somehow, that Weiner is planting references to Rep/Dem affiliation deliberately as red herrings.
― poxen, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
Kinsey was probably the biggest liberal on the show. And the biggest douche.
― LaMonte, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
no way was he the _biggest_ douche.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
I felt like a bunch of characters had good paths through the episode. Don goes from skeptical to the virtual hero of the party to that shit-eating grin hookup in the car and later the classic, "I grew up in a place like this, but we called it a whorehouse."
― mh, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
contenderizer OTM, this pete thing is key in making the show less and less believable. don's the only one who has anything to fear from him iirc but i can't swallow the other characters reactions to him. he would either have had a stern talking to or (more realistically) just be made a pariah rather than, uh, be challenged to a round of fisticuffs. this episode was so silly.
― jed_, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago) link
Parts of the episode (not least the fight) struck me as comically over the top. And was anyone else annoyed by Lane kissing Joan? For me, the whole appeal of their relationship was that they understood and empathized with one another, and their mutual respect kept things platonic. That kiss came outta nowhere, and just seemed like an insanely pointless distraction.
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
loved this episode... the scifi stuff... the many emasculations of pete campbell... the fight... such a great ep.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:34 (twelve years ago) link
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, April 16, 2012 9:45 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i love that this show treats stuff like "mutual platonic respect" like the tv bullshit it is
The kiss was great because we basically needed to be reminded that lane is sort of a putz (and lane needed to be reminded too). Also Joan's response was perfect.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
And was anyone else annoyed by Lane kissing Joan? For me, the whole appeal of their relationship was that they understood and empathized with one another, and their mutual respect kept things platonic. That kiss came outta nowhere, and just seemed like an insanely pointless distraction.
no, i liked it. lane's a weak man, though not a bad one, and he was both high on himself (trouncing stinky pete) and feeling threatened (broke, insulted, feeling useless, accused of being "a homo"), basically at loose ends. plus joan handled it magnificently. "Everyone in this office has wanted to do that ... to Pete Campbell." [ellipsis mine]
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
er, as s.clover said
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
Also the setup of her getting up, only to open the door and come back.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
^ yeah yeah, that's mostly what i meant. just thought the line was funny too.
― BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago) link
I definitely agree about Joan's response...maybe I'm not ready to accept Lane as a putz, though. But it seemed forced (from a storytelling point of view), and hastily tacked-on at the last minute.
― Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago) link
i noticed this. typically the transitions don't really register w/me but a few were glaring in this episode. a couple instances where they tried to sync up actions such as a cut from one character opening a door to another doing the same, and an odd cross-fade of pete's head lining up in successive scenes.
― Lowell N. Behold'n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 03:00 (twelve years ago) link