I think only Pete really disrespecting him...the other guys were all pretty supportive of his attempt to woo new clients.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago) link
There never seemed to be a lot of interaction between those two before and I don't think it feels that believable. T
the "pact" was explicitly addressed/shown at the end of last season when Peggy and Ken broke the firm's streak of losing business after Don's "letter"
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
slocki, do you mean to imply that lane kissed joan in part b/c his manliness had been challenged?
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
I think he's pretty clearly been shown as super lonely, the whole thing with the mystery wallet woman a couple of episodes ago etc.
― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
not s1ocki, but that's how i took it
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
^^^
that kiss did not "come out of nowhere" it was way telegraphed
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
plus yeah, his general alienation and sense of powerlessness
yes concluding with a completely unsatisfactory and mutually degrading fight
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
Laine will be a fucking hero for decking Pete, everyone wants to do it.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
to me Pete's needlessly brutal antagonizing of Lane was the part that seemed to come out of nowhere - in the past Lane's been at least supportive of Pete and they have shared some (albeit awkward) camraderie
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
lane just shit on him and accused him of losing a big account did u not notice that part
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
yeah but Pete's defensiveness got way out of hand pretty quick
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
I mean calling him "a homo" wtf
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
Pete was lashing out & sniping at whoever was a convenient target because he was feeling emasculated for a number of reasons.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
granted Pete was unloading on Lane because of his own problems with his masculinity
xp
ya for reals
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
Pete's character kind of a commentary on the present-day "regaining masculinity" people in his inability to find a way to really shine. He wants to somehow lead or be a success and he tries every stupid trick during the episode but ends up just looking like a dick for outing his coworker's extracurricular activities and even trying to mention his now near-useless family name to a high school kid.
I think if he existed in 2012 he wouldn't be in the "men have been denied their place by feminists/liberals/etc" but I don't think it'd be unfamiliar to his line of thought.
"You're my king."
― mh, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
yup.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
these ppl wouldnt exist in 2012 at all
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
Food for another thread, but I think that Pete's constant lack of self-realization or self-actualization is really the foundation of a certain type of backlash. Pete's sympathetic, at least to a point, with some of the civil rights struggles but the evident forces that are being confronted -- racism and sexism -- aren't really the ones that are causing him discontent. It might just be a frustration that his character will never shake, but I think a lot of people see others successfully struggling against oppressive forces and decide that their own failures -- or in Pete's case, just the lack of an overwhelming success -- are the result of oppression or someone taking what's his.
So far, Pete's only gone as far as complaining about how he thinks he's more competent than others, thankfully.
― mh, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
xp dream on.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
There are Pete's at every company I've ever worked at.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
I thought carousing and going to the Playboy Club and shit was Lane's favorite thing about America! How come all of a sudden in this episode it's like none of that ever happened? Based on the version of Lane that we've seen in previous seasons, if the dinner with the Jaguar guy is boring and seemed to have hit a wall, I'd have expected Lane to be like "Fuck it, let's go get drunk and ogle cocktail waitresses, eh chap?"
― Dan I., Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
even in this episode they had a bloody good time getting pissed and watching the footy
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
He thought he was supposed to be proper British dude since he met the guy in the guise of being proper British people with his wife and the dude's wife! I think he's not good at navigating the different spheres.
― mh, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
I thought it was pretty obvious it was because Jaguar Guy's wife took it to Lane's wife. Be seen to do something, rather than necessarily do something.
― Aunt Acid and the Gaviscons (aldo), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
"chewing gum on his pubis"
― mh, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
lane knows how to partyhttp://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzd5njWk3h1qkpccwo1_500.gif
― mizzell, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
best lane line - “I’ve heard men talk with dark permanence of those years.”
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
his astute britishisms kill me
― mh, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
Difference I think is that Lane partied with Don and at the playboy club on his own time, but I think he sees taking a client to a brothel as beyond the pale.
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think anyone needs a reason to want to kiss Joan.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
like i said upthread, they'd hinted at it (Lane wanny smoochy Joan) before - but what i think put him over the top was the adrenaline rush of getting into a fight (and winning).
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
so who was Lane with at the pub watching the World Cup? his wife who he's semi-separated from? (or not separated from?) I feel like I forgot a plot turn somewhere, I thought she moved back to London.
― dmr, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
Dad beats Lane/tells him to get his affairs in order --> Lane brought his family over from England
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
at the pub Lane was with his wife and Mr. and Mrs. Jaguar
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, Lane wanted to go to the park and thought hanging with other expats was dweeby, but then really got into the footy and tried to parlay it into a business deal.
― mh, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
dunno how much of Lane's behavior at the pub was genuine tbh
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, i thought it was pretty clear that he was putting on the expected show
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
laughed a lot at this episode. made me remember why i like this show.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
Lane's Playboy exploits were while the wife was back in blighty.
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
the show is flirting with total farce this season, though getting away with it so far. i know there have been silly moments before but lane fighting pete was into utter ridicule.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
damn i forgot about lane's dad pwning him
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's safe to say Lane is probably the partner most intimately acquainted with physical violence
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
well a couple of them actually fought in various wars
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
and then there's Don/Dick's childhood.
― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
He was drunk and England had just won the World Cup, that was enough to shake him out of usual grouchy reservedness around his wife's friends.
Pretty much everything Laine did felt pitch-perfect for the character for me. Whatever he did with Don last season it was on their own time and didn't lose the agency a massive car account in the process.
(xpost - come on it's clearly Roger who's been in the most actual physical fights)
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
Roger talks a lot but I suspect it's all talk. (see: mugging)
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
dude is a playboy through and through
it's clear he got treated like shit, I don't recall any physical abuse tho.
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link